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03-18-2007, 12:08 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Again, as J.J. Liu's agent, I ask the 2+2 audience to please refrain from posting insensitive remarks or taking cheap shots at J.J., Dan Alspach, or myself in order to justify your existence. At this time, I cannot comment on the specifics of the situation beyond what was already reported by the media. Please respect J.J. and Dan's need for privacy. Thank you very much. Oliver Tse Oliver Tse Management Group, LLC [email protected] [/ QUOTE ] I am somewhat suprised to see your comment Oliver. I agree this is a very serious and sensitive subject. BUT how can you possibly be serious about posting this? You are a very vocal member in NVG. You of all people should know that this is a very valid thread thats should be discussed. I'm not saying that certain comments should be said, but that is 2+2. Some kids get off at being cruel. [/ QUOTE ] I simply ask 2+2 participants to "think", just a little bit, before posting something insensitive and/or taking their daily cheap shots at either J.J., Dan, or myself. I don't think that was too much to ask. 
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#32
03-18-2007, 12:16 PM
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Re: WPT should be sued
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Again, as J.J. Liu's agent, I ask the 2+2 audience to please refrain from posting insensitive remarks or taking cheap shots at J.J., Dan Alspach, or myself in order to justify your existence. At this time, I cannot comment on the specifics of the situation beyond what was already reported by the media. Please respect J.J. and Dan's need for privacy. Thank you very much. Oliver Tse Oliver Tse Management Group, LLC [email protected] [/ QUOTE ] I am somewhat suprised to see your comment Oliver. I agree this is a very serious and sensitive subject. BUT how can you possibly be serious about posting this? You are a very vocal member in NVG. You of all people should know that this is a very valid thread thats should be discussed. I'm not saying that certain comments should be said, but that is 2+2. Some kids get off at being cruel. [/ QUOTE ] I simply ask 2+2 participants to "think", just a little bit, before posting something insensitive and/or taking their daily cheap shots at either J.J., Dan, or myself. I don't think that was too much to ask. [/ QUOTE ] What about cheap shots against WPT or Ted?
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#33
03-18-2007, 12:20 PM
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[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Again, as J.J. Liu's agent, I ask the 2+2 audience to please refrain from posting insensitive remarks or taking cheap shots at J.J., Dan Alspach, or myself in order to justify your existence. At this time, I cannot comment on the specifics of the situation beyond what was already reported by the media. Please respect J.J. and Dan's need for privacy. Thank you very much. Oliver Tse Oliver Tse Management Group, LLC [email protected] [/ QUOTE ] I am somewhat suprised to see your comment Oliver. I agree this is a very serious and sensitive subject. BUT how can you possibly be serious about posting this? You are a very vocal member in NVG. You of all people should know that this is a very valid thread thats should be discussed. I'm not saying that certain comments should be said, but that is 2+2. Some kids get off at being cruel. [/ QUOTE ] I simply ask 2+2 participants to "think", just a little bit, before posting something insensitive and/or taking their daily cheap shots at either J.J., Dan, or myself. I don't think that was too much to ask. [/ QUOTE ] I am pretty sharp Oliver and I understood you completely the first time and needless to say I am still shocked. You ask people to "respect their privacy", which seems hypocritical after reading some of your posts over the last year. People on this forum may have respected your post more if you posted it under a name other than your own. I feel your presence in this is causing more insensitivity from others. But then again, that is just my opinion [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#34
03-18-2007, 12:21 PM
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I simply ask 2+2 participants to "think", just a little bit, before posting something insensitive and/or taking their daily cheap shots at either J.J., Dan, or myself. I don't think that was too much to ask. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with you about J.J., but I think you're fair game, Oliver. You post a lot of controversial and somewhat redundant stuff on this forum that would mark you as a troll if you didn't also frequently post very useful information. So you can't be surpised if people take shots at you. If you don't want to be a target, don't insert yourself so prominently into the discussion.
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#35
03-18-2007, 12:29 PM
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[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Again, as J.J. Liu's agent, I ask the 2+2 audience to please refrain from posting insensitive remarks or taking cheap shots at J.J., Dan Alspach, or myself in order to justify your existence. At this time, I cannot comment on the specifics of the situation beyond what was already reported by the media. Please respect J.J. and Dan's need for privacy. Thank you very much. Oliver Tse Oliver Tse Management Group, LLC [email protected] [/ QUOTE ] I am somewhat suprised to see your comment Oliver. I agree this is a very serious and sensitive subject. BUT how can you possibly be serious about posting this? You are a very vocal member in NVG. You of all people should know that this is a very valid thread thats should be discussed. I'm not saying that certain comments should be said, but that is 2+2. Some kids get off at being cruel. [/ QUOTE ] I simply ask 2+2 participants to "think", just a little bit, before posting something insensitive and/or taking their daily cheap shots at either J.J., Dan, or myself. I don't think that was too much to ask. [/ QUOTE ] I am pretty sharp Oliver and I understood you completely the first time and needless to say I am still shocked. You ask people to "respect their privacy", which seems hypocritical after reading some of your posts over the last year. People on this forum may have respected your post more if you posted it under a name other than your own. I feel your presence in this is causing more insensitivity from others. But then again, that is just my opinion [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Jean: So you are saying you would respect someone more if he were a "coward" and post under an anonymous handle than someone who is willing to take hits by posting under his own name? Again, I ask 2+2 participants to please THINK before posting. I don't think that is too much to ask, but given that I am now an agent and a defacto PR flack, I have a different perspective of the poker world than a teenager.
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#37
03-18-2007, 12:33 PM
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Re: WPT should be sued
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Again, as J.J. Liu's agent, I ask the 2+2 audience to please refrain from posting insensitive remarks or taking cheap shots at J.J., Dan Alspach, or myself in order to justify your existence. At this time, I cannot comment on the specifics of the situation beyond what was already reported by the media. Please respect J.J. and Dan's need for privacy. Thank you very much. Oliver Tse Oliver Tse Management Group, LLC [email protected] [/ QUOTE ] I am somewhat suprised to see your comment Oliver. I agree this is a very serious and sensitive subject. BUT how can you possibly be serious about posting this? You are a very vocal member in NVG. You of all people should know that this is a very valid thread thats should be discussed. I'm not saying that certain comments should be said, but that is 2+2. Some kids get off at being cruel. [/ QUOTE ] I simply ask 2+2 participants to "think", just a little bit, before posting something insensitive and/or taking their daily cheap shots at either J.J., Dan, or myself. I don't think that was too much to ask. [/ QUOTE ] What about cheap shots against WPT or Ted? [/ QUOTE ] Ted Forrest has earned the respect of a lot of people in the poker world. He handled the situation as an innocent bystander in a sportsman-like manner. I made sure that I congratulated Ted on the TV set while he was waiting for his "money shot" before I left Bay 101 on Saturday morning to go to the medical facility. Friday night/Saturday morning was Ted's night. He had worked hard over the years and endured his share of setbacks in order to reach the pinnacle. Ted deserves the accolades and the respect from the poker world for finally breaking through on the WPT after nearly 5 years. -- I am continuing to take the "high road", as much as I can, in this situation. Given that I am only "hired help", my hands are tied somewhat. I understand that I am considered "fair game" by some 2+2 participants because, in my previous role as a freelance poker writer, I took positions that many in the industry perceived as hostile and/or threatening to the industry. Note that the economic interest of the poker industry is not necessary the same as the economic interest of the players. There are many instances the industry and the players are in conflict, and these conflicts will need time and effort to be resolved. I believe it is healthy for the industry for these conflicts to be out in the open and be covered extensively by the media so that both sides in a particular conflict will feel some urgency to resolve their differences. I had always taken the position of the PLAYER's advocate. That hasn't changed even after I traded in a media badge for a blazer and a tie. My economic interest as an agent now is still aligned with the players I represent: J.J. Liu for online poker exclusively, J.C. Tran non-exclusively on one small project so far, and possibly 2 other players with international language skills that I am working to sign at this time.
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#38
03-18-2007, 12:35 PM
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My wife is a labor and delivery nurse and she told me that everything was done correctly. She said that as early as 8 weeks but definitely by 12 weeks expectant mothers are told in great detail that bleeding/spotting can be common and should not be treated as a big deal and there is no need to cease activities or rush to a doctor. However, if the bleeding also includes cramping, contractions, etc or if the blood is a deep, dark red then women are told to immediately stop what they're doing and get in to their doctor or to the ER.
So unless the second scenario was present there was no need for JJ to rush to the hospital and there was nothing the WPT could do. It sounds like she did the right thing and just got checked out afterwards as a precaution. Not sure why you would sue the WPT or blame TF.
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#39
03-18-2007, 12:45 PM
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I sound like a broken record, but I did NOT ruin a kid's life. That was never my intent. I don't know how many times I have to repeat posting what is below in order to get it through people's heads. -- I got myself involved in the Robert Neary case (2006 Aussie Millions runner-up and PartyPoker satellite qualifier who was on a golf scholarship at Sonoma State University in Northern California) because I felt that PartyPoker exploited Neary by forcing Neary to break an NCAA rule regarding endorsements by making Neary wear a PartyPoker logo, WITHOUT compensating Neary, in order for Neary to play the Aussie Millions. I had a job to do when I got involved in the Neary case, and I now have a different job to do after J.J. and Dan hired me to be J.J.'s agent last October. Ultimately, I still have to do my job and take my job seriously, no matter what the job is. Having been an independent contractor/freelancer thoughout much of my adult life, I know that I am only as good as my last assignment. [/ QUOTE ] Oliver, I an generally amused by your insight into the poker world and it's Chinese future, but this takes you it to another level. You felt someone you didn't know was being expoilted by Party Poker, so you felt the need to draw attention to it and rectify the situation. Your motivation for this was the greater good of poker players without reguard to the impact on the life of the person actually being exploited. Stating that the kid was slapped on the wrist is a cop-out, as you had no way of knowing what would happen before you outed him, and given the NCAA's stance on gambling you had to think it was likely his punishment would be much more severe. I find it interesting you felt a need to act when a corporation was exploiting a student athlete, yet you have the audacity to come on this board and ask that 2+2 refrain from taking cheap shots about a client of yours? While I had never heard of JJ Lui before reading this post, the fact that she would continue to play in a poker tournament after potentially suffering a miscarrige is the most degenerate thing I have ever heard of. I'm glad she was able to maximize her TV exposure, you are clearly doing a fine job. If she come close to death, she might get mainstream media coverage. Good luck with the endorsements.
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#40
03-18-2007, 12:50 PM
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Jean: So you are saying you would respect someone more if he were a "coward" and post under an anonymous handle than someone who is willing to take hits by posting under his own name? Again, I ask 2+2 participants to please THINK before posting. I don't think that is too much to ask, but given that I am now an agent and a defacto PR flack, I have a different perspective of the poker world than a teenager. [/ QUOTE ] Wow "coward" is quite a stretch don't ya think? You didn't want cheap shots taken at you...I can quote it again. If you are an agent, your name is only as good as your reputation. And your reputation effects your clients. I was only stating my opinion, which is that your reputation on 2+2 is, well it seems, below average and it effects JJ. People may be more likely to take cheap shots at her because of you. Which I don't think she deserves. Your ultra professional post (full name and email) asking people to "think" and not take cheap shots, is in fact provoking the opposite. Especially because you have been so casual in most of your previous posts on NVG.
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