Dump the overpair? - Page 3

MitchL · #21 03-05-2007, 08:55 PM

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Will -- I think our PF 4-bet defines our hand enough that folding the turn is safer than you're letting on. I think if you're going to showdown JJ HU if you get 5-bet PF, it may be more cost-effective to just call the PF 3-bet and go from there.

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I agree, and I think this best reason to 4 bet JJ pf in a head up situation or in MN where the cap is 5.

sternroolz · #22 03-05-2007, 08:56 PM

Friday night my $20-40 table was ridiculous loose. Really bad. Saturday night was the same thing. Unfortunately I picked up almost two racks in the first 40 minutes, and lost that plus a few hundred more to a donkey on a sick heater over the next 3 hours or so. Dude ran up 4 racks, dumped it all back, then ran it up to 1700 or so again all in the span of about 4 hours.

Maybe due to the celebrity tournament? I dunno. Also saw several of the weak players from my Friday night table sitting in at $40-80 on Sat night.

DividedSky2001 · #23 03-06-2007, 09:55 PM

If possible raise the flop for one bet, if you get re-raised then call down or fold, I'm always about finding out where I am in a hand right on the flop. I also want to extract maximum value out of my hands (obviously) and never allow another player to catch up. Way to many people get married to AK and this could have been one of those situations. Gotta love the Commerce 20/40 :-)

TxRedMan · #24 03-07-2007, 04:51 AM

the fifth bet is always aces or kings, especially when followed up by a flop bet.

fold imo.

easily?

gaming_mouse · #25 03-07-2007, 05:49 AM

I am baffled why everyone wants a showdown here. This is live poker and a normal seeming dude 5-bet PF.

djeric1 · #26 03-07-2007, 06:09 AM

If any normal player 5-bets me pf, I agree this has to be AA or KK. What limit is this btw? I can't picture any normal 20/40 player 5-betting pf without a hand that beats mine. I think I might peel once and see if I hit my 2 outer but prepare to fold the turn UI.

Jeffage · #27 03-07-2007, 08:12 AM

See a showdown as cheaply as possible unless it comes very bad.

Jeff

Hoi Polloi · #28 03-07-2007, 09:04 AM

I would take the cheapest path to showdown here because you have an overpair, pot is going to be decent size, you want to know better what to make of villain's pre-flop play.

Maybe you got in a little too deep against this guy pre-flop, maybe not. It would be good to know against a player who may be quite solid.

sternroolz · #29 03-07-2007, 10:30 AM

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I am baffled why everyone wants a showdown here. This is live poker and a normal seeming dude 5-bet PF.

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Its not that rare that a Commerce player gets a wild hair you know where and goes bonkers with some total BS. You use the term "normal". So many Commerce players are not normal at all. Like every other player at the table.

It's player dependant and I'd be likely inclined to call this down against an unknown. BTW, if its the heavy middle aged Korean guy that wears glasses....that guy pumps with anything at seemingly random points in the game. Normally he appears kinda tight aggressive unless he is on tilt. But he plays bizarre hands at random. He C/R me the other night on the river with 33 in the hole after I 3 bet pf and bet to the river with a A and Q on the flop. No he did not have a set.

benwood · #30 03-07-2007, 12:44 PM

I see call down recomendations coming from strong players who generally play at the high end of the playing spectrum where the play is probably more aggressive.It's possible that you guys are not adjusting enough to the fact that this is just a 20/40 game.

I think that joker is right that in 20/40 against a seemingly reasonable player it may be right not to 4-bet if you're going to call down a 5-bet in this situation.