AA interesting spot (3/6 NL)

[AcTiOnJaCsOn]

a lot of hands, could be a set or a flush i think a pair and the ace of clubs would probably make it a larger amount, in hindsight since the donk is in the pot i think this is a clear fold, since the donk sort of keeps the pot protected Also above there was something mentioned about timing tells, while it could mean soemthing i wouldnt put much stock into it. He could easily be watching TV or multitabling etc

[jalexand42]

He was multitabling.

Not trying to read into the delay or give any hints, just sayin'.

I'll post my thoughts/decision later on.

[Triumph36]

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I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. I shove all day. He can be isoraising really easily with a worse hand (you said donk was bad enough to call even this reraise on the flop really really thinly), or protecting a worse one.

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I don't think he's trying to get donk to cold call in order to get jalex to fold - that's super sick, esp with how much strength jalex represents by betting this flop into both players. jalex has to have at least a pair of some kind to do this or maybe a very strong draw.

I feel like a shove is gross and lets opponent play almost perfectly. He will get pot odds to call w/ the hands he's racing with, he'll fold any bluffs (of which there are none), and he'll obviously call with his sets as well.

To me, CO should be peeling here with a draw in hopes to stack UTG - raising, especially with a nut draw, is a good way to possibly scare the donk out. Maybe I'm underestimating just how bad this guy is - but the problem is, the strength jalex has represented, he's obviously coming over the top of both players with a strong pair w/ club, if that's what he's got (and donk cold-calls).

[JKratzer]

i don't see how you can be ahead here and you don't have a draw. assuming the guy who raised you isn't retarded this is a fold. if you want a range i'd guess low flush or set, something vulnerable that he doesn't want to see a turn with
(i.e. either take it down on flop or get all-in.)

[Requin]

I think you guys are overestimating how strong jalex looks here. This could really be any bare Ac or 88+. Do you all think villain wouldn't be raising QQ/KK here? Or even JJ? Maybe I'm off in thinking he could raise like 99+ to isolate though.

[Jinx]

given that we're 200 bb deep if i'm villain jalex's line looks pretty effing strong to me

[soah]

I think worse big pairs make up a pretty big part of this guy's range here, with or without a flush draw.

[restrikt]

with A of clubs, obvious shove. As played, I think this is a fold.

EDIT: This is of course without reads. If villain was someone like Durrrr, I would shove here a fair percentage of the time.

[Parlay Slow]

barring some ridiculous history this is a fold

[jalexand42]

Okay, I folded. In the flow of the game, I stopped and thought through what the hell his raise might represent. My thoughts:

1. I think that he is only raising a made hand here that he feels the need to protect. In my opinion that includes a flopped medium sized flush or a set. I feel like his range was wide enough here pre flop because of the donkey that he could have something like TJs, 89s, etc.

2. I felt like my line was more than strong enough that he wasn't going to play for stacks here against _ME_ with QQc, JJc, TTc, etc. He knows there is a very real possibility that stacks are going in here.

3. He's not raising hands that generate value from the donkey just calling him down.

4. I want to keep my 200bb stack with position on the donk. So does villan, so why the hell would he be getting fancy here with something that doesn't probably have me crushed.

I felt like my hand vs. his probable range made continuing pretty hard, and with the long term EV of my deep stack on donkey, seemed like a pretty straight forward fold.

Thanks for all the comments, I don't know if villan is 2p2, but I would love to know what he had. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]