Rizen just wrote a great article on P5's...

[mikeymer]

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after shaniac's well, i predict open limping will become thenew open raising. discuss.

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um shaniac was a day late,
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...0&fpart=all

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Lots of players have been doing this for a while.

[burningyen]

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Playing unexploitably vs optimally is a great topic for discussion. From NLHTP:

"No matter who you are playing, the fundamental remains the same. For every play, try to think of what the perfect strategy [Paul: "unexploitable"] might be. Then adjust that strategy to capitalize on your opponents' weaknesses [Paul: "optimal"]. Be aware of how your strategy deviates from an unexploitable one, and watch out for opponents who might be trying to exploit your mistakes [Paul: so you can exploit their effort to exploit you]."

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I'm pretty sure this isn't proper usage, either. I always understood:

optimal = unexploitable by a perfect game theoretical "nemesis"

to be contrasted with

exploitive = takes advantage of your actual opponent's departures from optimal strategy

[shaundeeb]

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after shaniac's well, i predict open limping will become thenew open raising. discuss.

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um shaniac was a day late,
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...0&fpart=all

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Lots of players have been doing this for a while.

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shhh I know that I am not, but it's def the best discussion we've had in a while in strag forum.

[Evenkeal]

UNEXPLOITABLE

[ZJ123]

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the only thing i disagree with is that harrington's books are fantastic. they're marginal at best, teach you how to play terrible postflop, and they were archiac right after they came out. the author of this article writes a decent post though in the basic idea of staying ahead of the evolution of the game.

of course, you could just play a sick, unexploitable style, if you don't want to evolve your own game.

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0WNAGE

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Holy [censored], takes skill to suck this hard at tourneys.

[timex]

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Steve,

I would say that I agree obviously about optimization vs unexploitability. But what if I were to tell you that playing unexploitably includes playing optimally in certain ways against bad players, but in a more standard fashion against the more difficult, educated players? Really, this all has to do with nth level thinking and it's something I've written and talked quite a bit about but have not really shared with the community. FWIW, everyone knows this is obviously the key to poker, and 'staying one level ahead' will pretty much always be the elusive and nearly unattainable goal, achieved by only the best, and by some by accident.

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I think you just like the word unexploitable, and describe your style of play as such.

I would also like to say that I think playing truel unexploitably in donkaments may actually lead to losing results, or at the very least, extremely marginal.

[rabbitlover]

THAY3R, how do you get the "extended summary statistics" in the db?

Thanks

[WarDekar]

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THAY3R, how do you get the "extended summary statistics" in the db?

Thanks

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I was wondering that, too. I use PDB and OPR and usually end up going with OPR since they show overall profit which PDB doesn't (for me anyway). But the down-side is OPR includes satellites and also MTT SNGs.

[NHFunkii]

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Steve,

I would say that I agree obviously about optimization vs unexploitability. But what if I were to tell you that playing unexploitably includes playing optimally in certain ways against bad players, but in a more standard fashion against the more difficult, educated players? Really, this all has to do with nth level thinking and it's something I've written and talked quite a bit about but have not really shared with the community. FWIW, everyone knows this is obviously the key to poker, and 'staying one level ahead' will pretty much always be the elusive and nearly unattainable goal, achieved by only the best, and by some by accident.

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I think you just like the word unexploitable, and describe your style of play as such.

I would also like to say that I think playing truel unexploitably in donkaments may actually lead to losing results, or at the very least, extremely marginal.

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so you're saying that using a strategy in which you profit every single time someone plays exploitably will lead to losing/marginal results in TOURNAMENTS?

help.

[uclabruinz]

NHFunkii, profiting small amounts by staying in an unexploitable shell into the late game is not enough to keep up with the rising blinds.