Why do you guys pay for Poker Tracker?

[CudjoeBill]

I say go for it; however, do it for the experience and make sure you realize what you are committing yourself to.

I have spent the last few weeks working on Poker Grapher, to update it to support PostgreSQL 8.2.x. No new features, just fixing what was broke. I actually use the graphing features built in to Poker Tracker, but I thought I could contribute to the community and some people where asking for it, so I decided to do it.

In the last few weeks I have played almost no poker. I have been debugging old code, writing new code, answering support requests, etc. I have had no time to play poker. And I've spent almost every evening after work, working on Poker Grapher. So TheIrishThug, Mark1978 and Dean all have a point. But, I am enjoying myself. And I think I'm helping some people out. So to me, it's worth it.

Now that said, if you are going to be writing code for other people, then please be prepared to help them out when they have issues. And they will. Some poker players are computer wizards, but most are not. Some can barely turn on their PC. All of them will need support. No two systems are the same and the fact that it works on your system doesn't help them at all. And there is nothing more annoying to all of us than someone that releases a program and then provides crappy support. Or worse yet, no support. So if you want people to trust you and use your software, then you better be prepared to support your program. PT Pat & PokerAce Josh have set a pretty high bar for all of us to live up to, when it comes to the support poker players are used to getting.

Open Source? Fantastic. I'm all for that. Poker Grapher was open-sourced by the original author VERN and it remains so today. So I encourage you to do the same with your software.

Speaking of Poker Grapher, feel free to incorporate anything you want from Poker Grapher (as long as you follow the BSD License). The source code is freely available for all to see & use. Use the link above to find the project on SourceForge.

Sorry for such a long response, but I felt you needed a little perspective. I hope you take this post in the spirit in which it was intended.

Good luck!

[WARRiOR520]

Cudjoebill, I appreciate your input very much.

You make a lot of good points, although the whole bit about support is a little different than I see it, considering that I want this to be open-source I was not planning on providing any support, as I would obviously not be charging for use of the software (open source software carries no warranties, implied or otherwise etc etc etc.)

I am doing this to learn more about the game, and also to try to implement in my experimental AI software to see if an AI program can make useful improvements based on the knowledge of the opponents tendencies.

I am not calling this a 'bot' so please don't assume that, and even if the framework resembles one it is obvious that for one this complicated it would be years off. I simply want to be able to 'teach' the AI to make decisions, and explain those decisions so that I can keep updating my own strategies accordingly.

[ncboiler]

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It's like $50. People would rather be playing poker than coding their own software.

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Ditto. My time is worth more than this.

[WARRiOR520]

Again, thanks for the input and i am glad you value your time so much.

Maybe I should have been more clear.

I now have a working copy of PT, this is not about the money.

If anyone WITH PROGRAMMING EXPERIENCE wants to get involved feel free to PM me. Anyone else, as much as I value your opinion it is unfortunately irrelevant to this post. Not trying to be a d*ck, just trying to keep from wasting time. It surprises me that people will post on here just to say there time is worth more than to get involved in a programming project, just obviously not worth enough to keep you from posting one line answers on forums.

[iSTRONG]

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It surprises me that people will post on here just to say there time is worth more than to get involved in a programming project, just obviously not worth enough to keep you from posting one line answers on forums.

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Good luck with your project. An open-source poker DB would be great.

[fluorescenthippo]

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It's like $50. People would rather be playing poker than coding their own software.

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Ditto. My time is worth more than this.

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omgopportunitycost!

[Mark1978]

You can get a demo version of pokertracker for free if you want to use it for ideas for your own software. There are many features that people would like in PT that you could implement in your software (there have been some threads on this subject which may be useful to you).
I wasn't trying to be a dick. I was just answering the question you asked in the title of your thread. If the intention of the post was to find coding partners then just say so.
It would be great to get an open-source database project up and running. Many people get started then they just disappear.

[GoodCallYouWin]

Of course if he put in say 10 hours it would save EVERYONE $50, not just him... which is pretty cool (unless your poker tracker).

[Dazarath]

OP, are you one of those people who spends 5 hours looking for coupons so they can save $0.60?

[WARRiOR520]

Mark1798: I'm sorry, I really did appreciate your input (and especially your second response), I meant that I was just a little irritated because people were repeating the idea in various tones and I didn't want my post to make me look like a dick, I was just upset that people are complaining about how I am wasting my time coding something that would benefit them (or not if they bought PT) but its no problem to hop in here and one line the same thing that we have heard, great the majority of Mr. Joe Pokers out there would much rather pay $50 than spend time even figuring out my open source program, thats fine with me, and it is why I doubt the PT guys would have a problem with me.

Also, I'm sorry I didn't just come out and say i was looking for interested programmers, I kind of thought I had implied it, but I am not expecting it. I do not claim to be extremely skilled, but I am a CS major almost done with my AS so if this seems like the type of project you are interested in, it would be great to have some collaboration. This is an open invitation to anyone who believed that have something to contribute and I thank everyone for taking the time to read this and also anyone who takes the time to meaningfully reply.