this just in: preflop tough spot with QQ from sunday M

[Mjafish]

PokerStars Game #8507739086: Tournament #42220825, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (400/800) - 2007/02/18 - 18:25:29 (ET)
Table '42220825 109' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: mobster80 (40370 in chips)
Seat 2: MyAquarium (29520 in chips)
Seat 3: Joacim_G (9664 in chips)
Seat 4: Ramansk (9648 in chips)
Seat 5: sultan5 (12720 in chips)
Seat 6: Nordberg (69766 in chips)
Seat 7: PokerWill1 (23655 in chips)
Seat 8: Perazzi5 (31140 in chips)
Seat 9: robbynash (38105 in chips)
mobster80: posts the ante 40
MyAquarium: posts the ante 40
Joacim_G: posts the ante 40
Ramansk: posts the ante 40
sultan5: posts the ante 40
Nordberg: posts the ante 40
PokerWill1: posts the ante 40
Perazzi5: posts the ante 40
robbynash: posts the ante 40
Ramansk: posts small blind 400
sultan5: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mobster80 [Qh Qs]
Nordberg: raises 1300 to 2100
PokerWill1: folds
Perazzi5: folds
robbynash: calls 2100
mobster80: calls 2100
MyAquarium: folds
Joacim_G: raises 7524 to 9624 and is all-in
Ramansk: folds
sultan5: folds
Nordberg: raises 17042 to 26666
robbynash: folds
mobster80: ....?dsfgsdffgfds??!?!?!

nordberg I'm told is really good, and dont know much about the other guy..

sorry for unconverted,
Thanks,
MIke

[Lord_Strife]

Easy fold

[Nordberg]

I think you should definitely re-raise preflop there. I'm not playing that tight under the gun with that many chips, even though I did have AK this time.
Playing it the way you did I think you should probably call there vs my isolate range.

[iMsoLucky0]

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I think you should definitely re-raise preflop there. I'm not playing that tight under the gun with that many chips, even though I did have AK this time.
Playing it the way you did I think you should probably call there vs my isolate range.

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This is definitely a reraise pre after nord opens and gets a caller. After the push and repush, it becomes very close and comes down to reads I think. Nordberg is very good so by knowing that we know that he can be isolating with a fairly wide range as he says here. Because of that it is probably a push. I don't really see any point in just calling the bet pre, either push or fold.

The only things that could make me fold are if nord had been especially tight or if there were some kind of timing issues that made you think he was super strong, but those are more by feeling than anything definitive you can put a finger on.

[Mjafish]

The only thing that I missed while playing the hand but thought of after was that if Nordberg had AA-KK, wouldn't he flat call the short stack's push, hoping that I (or other the caller) would also come along?

I generally call/reraise 50/50 after the first guy called preflop. I think reraising there in a way makes QQ look bigger than it really is, and almost turns it into a bluff, unless I shove, which seems to make my hand look like AK. (does this make sense? Am i wrong to think this way?)

And, I ended up folding just since something about the situation/timing combined with his peculiar isolate reraise (not a push) size made me think Nordberg had a big hand. And, in a way he did, just that mine was better :/

Thanks,
Mike

[Soulman]

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The only thing that I missed while playing the hand but thought of after was that if Nordberg had AA-KK, wouldn't he flat call the short stack's push, hoping that I (or other the caller) would also come along?

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I doubt it, since you both would be getting ~4:1 odds to call. Especially KK doesn't really want a 4-way pot.


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And, I ended up folding just since something about the situation/timing combined with his peculiar isolate reraise (not a push) size made me think Nordberg had a big hand. And, in a way he did, just that mine was better :/


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Close situation, I don't think you should berate yourself for folding here.

[AMT]

folding is fine given how deep you are as played

[Pudge714]

By calling you are really underrepping your hand so you need to call a shove. If I'm Nord I'm shoving fairly wide here.