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02-13-2007, 10:34 AM
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Re: sleeping pills
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[ QUOTE ] can you guys discuss hangovers/doozyness of each of the above? being sleep-pill hung over defeats the purpose of going to bed earlier, because im not gonna go to class feeling like [censored]. [/ QUOTE ] Bump to keep up top. I'm gonna answer this, just not this second, as I believe i've taken every listed here save for trazodone. [/ QUOTE ] Every thing listed is going to give you some sort of 'hangover' if you don't have a tolerance for it. Letting your body wake up naturally is the easiest way to overcome this. Like you said, give yourself a couple more hours than normal. Plus, if you don't have insomnia and have no tolerance to any of these, they all will knock you the [censored] out. All the unisom, benadryl, tylenol pm stuff has the same ingredient, diphenhydramine. It's very effective but your body builds up a tolerance to it very easily. Plus, until you do develop a higher tolerance, waking up while the drug is still taking effect will feel like hell. Ambien is initially effective with almost no hangover effect but the tolerance and dependency you develop is absurd. It varies from person to person but everybody will tell you that the 'regular' dosage is ineffective after a short while. The 'sleep naturally' is good stuff, as the tolerance and dependency are minimal. The 'sleep naturally' as well as a few other similar products are basically a combination of some well known, naturally occurring herbs: valerian, chamomile, passion flower, etc. They won't necessarily knock you the hell out but will still do the trick, even independently. You can buy straight valerian pills or chamomile tea at any grocer. Be warned though, in a small percentage of people valerian has the opposite effect, so this might not be the one for you. B6 as a sleep supplement is very effective but it gives some people very vivid and sometimes horrible dreams. We already talked about melatonin tablets. I disagree with using these in you particular case because they won't have the desired effect, in knocking you out so you can wake up earlier. As a supplement for maintaining a normal sleep schedule they are effective but anything more will cause an extreme dependency and a mild to moderate depression as your body will cut back in its natural production of melatonin. Seroquel is essentially a tranq and the only drug where you won't develop a tolerance or dependency but you probably can't get prescribed this if you're not a sever case. Xanax might be the worst idea as it's not even primarily a sleep aid. It is a benzodiazepine (valium, librium) that is used for anxiety disorders and the tolerance and dependency formed is very high. Plus, the withdrawal and side effects of chronic use can be especially brutal. 'Nightime' cold medicines are so effective because in addition to the antihistamine there is also acetaminophen (tylenol) and a small amount of alcohol. Mixing tylenol and alcohol is a very old and common and effective sleep aid. The problem is that while at first it's pretty harmless, after you develop a tolerance you start taking more tylenol and more alcohol to achieve the same effect and you run the risk of liver damage at higher doses. Um, I think that might be everything. I'd recommend either the diphenhydramine (benadryl) or one of the herbal compound supplements at first and see how they work, then reevaluate. 
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#43
02-13-2007, 03:09 PM
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Re: sleeping pills
ambien is def the best sleeping pill... the ambien cr kinda sucks though because it doesnt hit you right away... i have no problem in the morning after taking ambien...
[ QUOTE ] - Just because Ambien makes you forget things that you did, doesn't mean you weren't completely aware when you did them. - Read some of the antidotes below. It's a hallucinogenic. You are not in your right mind after taking it. So I'd say you aren't in complete control of your actions. It would be hard to argue that a person was acting of their own free will when they are not conscious of their actions. [/ QUOTE ] QFT ... I have some weird ambien stories
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#44
02-13-2007, 03:45 PM
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Re: sleeping pills
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[ QUOTE ] This is one of the reasons I why think marijuana is so harmful, from a certain angle, because of he drastic effect it has on your melatonin levels. [/ QUOTE ] could you expand on this Chump Change if your out there [/ QUOTE ]
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#45
02-13-2007, 05:50 PM
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Re: sleeping pills
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Xanax might be the worst idea as it's not even primarily a sleep aid. It is a benzodiazepine (valium, librium) that is used for anxiety disorders and the tolerance and dependency formed is very high. Plus, the withdrawal and side effects of chronic use can be especially brutal. [/ QUOTE ] Much truth in there. They DO HOWEVER work well as a sleep aid if the cause of your unrest is anxiety (as it is for MANY people). Perhaps why doctors often perscribe them (or other benzos) for sleep. 100% right about the abuse thing tho. The general consensus here is correct - there's no magic pill that will put you to sleep with zero side effects. It just don't exist. BTW - not to ruin them for you, but melatonin and B6s main function is that of a placebo. If you're going to lie to yourself, you might as well take a capsul of shredded paper followed by a frying pan to the head and claim that paper put you right out with minimal side effects. Get on a set sleep schedule and stick to it. It's really the only option to achieve what you want. Suppliment with warm milk and turkey.
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#46
02-13-2007, 08:47 PM
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Re: sleeping pills
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This is one of the reasons I why think marijuana is so harmful, from a certain angle, because of he drastic effect it has on your melatonin levels. [/ QUOTE ] could you expand on this Chump Change if your out there [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Forgot about that, give me a second.
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#47
02-13-2007, 09:06 PM
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Re: sleeping pills
um kill yourself, then u can sleep all the time
no seriously, neuro-balance by IBE is great to calm those nerves after 20 million 1 outers and help u sleep and u wake up refreshed
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#48
02-13-2007, 09:53 PM
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Re: sleeping pills
tylenol pm is good
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#50
02-13-2007, 10:53 PM
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Re: sleeping pills
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Maybe not inexpensive, but works: Snoozatron [/ QUOTE ]awesome[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I have to disagree with all this melatonin nonsense. It is a hormone. Never take hormones or hormone precursors in any form. They are so bad for you. [/ QUOTE ] technically then, you should never eat turkey considering tryptophan is only 2 stages away from serotonin (tyrptophan --> 5-hydroxytryptophan --> serotonin). plus, as melatonin is a tryptamine (n-acetyl-5-methoxytryptamine i think), i guess that means fun stuff like mushrooms (psilocybin = 4-hydroxytryptamine) are also out. plus, many wine grapes contain non-negligable amounts of melatonin, which by this assessment means wine is pretty bad for you. i disagree with you CC. taking hormones is not necessarily bad for you. abusing hormones is. [/ QUOTE ]Are you a chemistry major or just a drug addict? Lori, nh
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