8+Tabling Americans And 4 Tabling Europeans

[demon102]

This is from an interview of Roland de Wolfe on Cardplayer, it seems to be talking about tourneys but can be applied to cash games too.


MF: What is the difference between European play and U.S. play?

RDW: Europeans generally play more aggressively. They don't care about being knocked out, but they do care about being bluffed. That's the main thing in Europe, don't get bluffed. In America, players are more concerned about not losing big pots and often play much tighter. In Europe, they just want to stick their money in and try their luck. Most of the top players in the world are in America at the moment, but the depth of European fields is much greater. In the States, you may have better players at the top, but the fields are weaker and the lower players aren't as good.


I just thought of something the Eurosites were the first sites that I know of that had the super high stakes nl games like 10k+ nl so they may have more gamble to them for some reason.

[prodonkey]

There isn't a term eurodonk for nothing

[Peter McDermott]

[ QUOTE ]

I may choose to work less because I value incremental free time over incremental earnings, but I'd rather be able to make that choice rather than have it imposed on me by my government. By the large numbers of European entrepreneurs who move to the U.S. to start businesses, I'd guess the brighter and more motivated Europeans agree with me.

[/ QUOTE ]

I hate to break this to you, DesertCat, but the issue here is *paid* vacation time. There's nothing stopping you from working your vacations -- that way you get paid twice over for the same period and earn >>>> than Americans.

Secondly, it's mostly only donkeys are paid hourly/daily anyway. Anyone who is on decent money gets a salary, and therefore it doesn't matter how many hours a week or month you work, your pay will be the same.

No overtime for management/professional classes, sadly.

[Peter McDermott]

[ QUOTE ]

But hard work is often the only way for most people to improve their standard of living. Most European countries have laws against hard work, i.e. they have forced vacations and restrict work days, making their populace poorer. So most Europeans get live in smaller houses, with fewer luxuries, less disposable income, etc.


[/ QUOTE ]

Also, you might want to share that information with the Polish builder who is currently renovating my kitchen and started working at 8.00am today, on a Sunday Morning, despite only finishing at 7.00pm last night.

He'd start at 7.00am if I'd let him through the door at such a ludicrous hour.

[vbm]

God I love threads that treat Europe as a country

[KingGeorgeC]

[ QUOTE ]


[/ QUOTE ]

Do you also get those days off during your mandatory military service?


web page

[JMa]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]


[/ QUOTE ]

Do you also get those days off during your mandatory military service?


web page

[/ QUOTE ]

In Sweden you get Midsummer, xmas and easter off...IIRC my xmas break was ~3 weeks

[DesertCat]

[ QUOTE ]


I hate to break this to you, DesertCat, but the issue here is *paid* vacation time. There's nothing stopping you from working your vacations -- that way you get paid twice over for the same period and earn >>>> than Americans.

[/ QUOTE ]

Peter, you are smarter than this. You surely understand that "paid" vacation really isn't. You only earn money by working. Your company pays you some of what you've earned while you aren't working, that's called "paid vacation". Essentially you get paid a little less during working weeks, and that amount is saved up for your vacation periods.

The more "paid vacation" you have as a percentage of your work time, the less time you have to work and the less you will earn. If you are worth $50k a year when you working 48 weeks a year, you are worth less working 40 weeks per year.

Try this thought experiment. Assume your goverment mandates 50 weeks of paid vacation per year, and only 2 weeks of work. Do you really believe companies could still pay the same wages? Auto factories would see production drop by 95%, their revenues from selling those cars would also drop by 95%. Do you really think they'd have enough money to pay the same wages?

This is the way it works, even if government mandates just one extra day of vacation time, it comes out of your pocket.


[ QUOTE ]

Secondly, it's mostly only donkeys are paid hourly/daily anyway. Anyone who is on decent money gets a salary, and therefore it doesn't matter how many hours a week or month you work, your pay will be the same.

[/ QUOTE ]

The more hours you work, the more you produce and the more valuable you are to employers. Even if salaried. In a competitive labor (er, labour) market, on average you'll see the benefit of extra work, either through promotions, raises, or a higher offer from a competitive firm. All other things being equal, an employee who comes in at 7 am, and leaves at 7 pm, working hard the entire time, is worth more than a twin who comes in at 9 am, and leaves at 5 pm, even if the twin works equally hard whilst in the office.

[Acein8ter]

Preference.... I'm sure there are some people in europe that 8 table + .......

[mmbt0ne]

[ QUOTE ]
God I love threads that treat Europe as a country

[/ QUOTE ]

UK Peter felt the need to defend France with his descriptions of London. If you guys want to treat it the same, we will too.