Long downswing just have some questions for you guys - Page 4

QueBob · #31 02-10-2007, 07:24 AM

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I understand that this may belong in BBV but you guys play at the same level that I do and so I think you will be able to help me more. I am currently going through a 300 BB downswing over the last month (over about 16000 hands), and have had one winning session of 25BB and two of 15 BB. The rest of either been very marginal winners and very big losers.

I have gone through fast downswings before and have heard of bad downswings that last 100000 hands but I am not adjusted to this. Luckily thanks to bonus plus rakeback my bankroll is up slightly. This is not a vent post but I am wondering what is the biggest and longest downswing you guys have gone through and how fast you made it back to where you were. Also post any funny stats or experiences during your downswings. Thanks guys.

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Read All Mason's 2+2 books and you will find that you are in the mathematical/statistical norm. Welcome to our world of Poker. Got the patience/professionalism for the long run?

winkydinky85 · #32 02-10-2007, 07:45 AM

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I understand that this may belong in BBV but you guys play at the same level that I do and so I think you will be able to help me more. I am currently going through a 300 BB downswing over the last month (over about 16000 hands), and have had one winning session of 25BB and two of 15 BB. The rest of either been very marginal winners and very big losers.

I have gone through fast downswings before and have heard of bad downswings that last 100000 hands but I am not adjusted to this. Luckily thanks to bonus plus rakeback my bankroll is up slightly. This is not a vent post but I am wondering what is the biggest and longest downswing you guys have gone through and how fast you made it back to where you were. Also post any funny stats or experiences during your downswings. Thanks guys.

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Read All Mason's 2+2 books and you will find that you are in the mathematical/statistical norm. Welcome to our world of Poker. Got the patience/professionalism for the long run?

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Thanks for the posts, all of you. I have taken your advise to heart. I took a week off (well six days but close enough). Read SSHE all over again and read WLLH again as well. Looked over my hand histories from now and then from about 12K hands ago and realized that my play has improved a ton. My progession as a player has been accelerated big time by this downswing.

Marty, I really appreciate you taking the time to post on here again even though you are irratated with me obviously. I read your posts and opinions and really took them to heart. But please understand that it is really hard to say that I am tilting or playing bad when I look over all the hand histories and see nothing but consistant improvement. Now I do not have Pokertracker yet and was going to get it through PSO but since I do not have an E-Wallet right now (waiting for the dust to settle), and then I will use that to help you guys in your evaluations of my play in the future.

I will read the books you listed there (assuming they are free). Hopefully they will help me feel better about this downswing and hopefully I can pull out of it sometime soon. Maybe in the end this downswing will be the best thing that ever happened to me as a poker player. Because without it I would not have plugged some of the leaks in my game and would not have spent as much time looking at other players mistakes and learning from them.

OziBattler · #33 02-10-2007, 08:05 AM

Winkydink, FWIW I agree with alot of what marty wrote.....arent you the least bit interested in getting a second opinion on your play?...you know, our biggest leaks are the ones that we dont know about.

omg, you dont have pokertracker yet. really? are you multitabling without stats on a hud?

ozi

winkydinky85 · #34 02-10-2007, 08:16 AM

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Winkydink, FWIW I agree with alot of what marty wrote.....arent you the least bit interested in getting a second opinion on your play?...you know, our biggest leaks are the ones that we dont know about.

omg, you dont have pokertracker yet. really? are you multitabling without stats on a hud?

ozi

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No I do not have Pokertracker and was literally going to get it the day the Neteller guys got arrested. I have had a couple of second opinions on my play. One was a former internet pro who moved on to own a business after he was down with online poker and the other is just a Micro Limit player such as myself.

The Micro Limit player did not see anything wrong with my play (He is a marginal winner such as myself at $1/$2 Limit. And the former online pro said that over the 500 hands I sent him that I should be destroying this Limit and that I should move up. I told him I want to be a solid defined winner at a level and reach a certain BR before I move up and he just told me that if I wait two more months (or however long it takes) that I will feel stupid for passing up that revenue potential from winnings plus rakeback plus bonus and points for cash.

So I got halfway decent advise from a fellow Micro Limit player and got crappy advise from a former pro. Gotta love how that works.

martybonus · #35 02-10-2007, 08:18 AM

sorry mate, don't mean to be rude. i don't like it whene people yell at me and i don't like to do it to others. so sorry if i got on your case.

but as oz says, second opinions are *critical*. going over your own play is a great thing to do, but if you really wanna improve, let someone else go over your play.

it hurts sometimes, but it's for your own good. a good reaming once a week or so is good for your poker health.

winkydinky85 · #36 02-10-2007, 08:32 AM

I know you do not mean to be rude and I am not near as stubborn as my posts seem to come off as. Like I said I took a week off and studied and felt from that I had an even better grasp for the game then before. Once I get Pokertracker I will start having some others check them out if they are interested. I really got nothing out of the other two that looked at them, just bad advise.

Also keep in mind that I am not desperate to make this 60K+ annually but I own a business right now that pays all of my expenses easily I just wanted this to be something on the side I could do to save up for a house in the future. I do not want to mortgage I want to just pay it off and be able to live easily in a home without throwing away money in an apartment.

nichtsnutz · #37 02-10-2007, 08:35 AM

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I play the same when I play six tables as I do one.

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This is an extremely stupid statement. You will always play differently with 6 open tables then with one. It gets even more stupid after you tell us you're not using a HUD. Nobody can monitor 60 players at once.

Move down to where they don't respect your raises. Your BB/100 will go up and you may well make the same money with less variance.

winkydinky85 · #38 02-10-2007, 08:49 AM

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I play the same when I play six tables as I do one.

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This is an extremely stupid statement. You will always play differently with 6 open tables then with one. It gets even more stupid after you tell us you're not using a HUD. Nobody can monitor 60 players at once.

Move down to where they don't respect your raises. Your BB/100 will go up and you may well make the same money with less variance.

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Really I have no problem playing six tables at once. In fact I would guess I would play better at six tables per table than one because I would be miserable playing one table.

I want to be able to beat $1/$2 Limit and I have a larger than needed bankroll (around $3300)for it and moving down will halt my progress. If I did not have the bankroll I have no problem with moving down but I want to be able to beat $1/$2 Limit. I feel like I am making way better decisions than the other players at my table and feel like I could be a winning player at $2/$4 and $3/$6 but do not want to move up until I can put that on paper. And I will not move up period until I know that I have beaten that level. Actually this has given me an idea for an interesting topic I will put up shortly.

OziBattler · #39 02-10-2007, 06:15 PM

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Per Aussie's suggestion above: Wink, not that I presume to be a great or even a good player or a top-flight reviewer but if you want to throw 150 or 200 hands my way I'd be happy to have a look for you. PM me if interested. I'm in Europe right now and it may take me a few days to get through them but I'll be happy to help if I can.

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winky,

it is good you are replying to hands and all that but honestly it would be foolish of you not to accept this offer from Origami. The feedback I get says he does excellent reviews and plays at UB. just do it. what have u got to lose?

If you are concerned about giving out your screen name then just search and replace.

ozi