Overpair (KK) River Laydown

[allrightfine]

I have trouble putting LAG's on any sort of range. Is this river fold standard?

villain is 34/25/3 after 50 hands

Full Tilt Poker
$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
6 Players
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<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
Hero (UTG): $59.30
MP: $23.55
CO: $49.75
BTN: $49.75
SB: $54.85
BB: $85.45

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> K K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($0.75, 6 players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, MP folds, CO calls $2, BTN folds, SB folds, BB folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($4.75, 2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>, CO calls $3.50

<font color="black">Turn:</font> 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] ($11.75, 2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $8</font>, CO calls $8

<font color="black">River:</font> 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] ($27.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $20</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $20 returned to CO

[KurtSF]

If you can't read his hand why are you so sure you're beat?

Looks like you induced a bet then folded to it, which is weak. I think I'd prefer a blocking bet or a call to pick off a bluff here.

You may have folded the worst hand here; its not a terrible fold. But don't get in the habit of c/f-ing when a scare card hits or else the LAGs will run over you all day long.

[pavey21]

I agree...you're putting yourself in a really bad spot here by checking the river...if im you, im probably betting 13ish and folding a raise.

[RAHZero]

First of all, I don't really like your flop / turn bets. I prefer pot or very close to it on the flop and pretty close to pot on the turn. In this case I would have bet $4.50 on the flop, making the pot $13.75 (before rake) on the turn, and then $12ish on the turn. As played, I bet at least $10 on the turn, 2/3 pot doesn't really cut when an ace, a J, a 9, a T and any spade are scare cards.

As played, check-fold is a REALLY weak line on the river against a LAG with an overpair that's very often good despite the flush coming in. I like either a bet-fold (bet $15ish, maybe a little more), or, probably better against a LAG, a check-call.

[TyFuji]

Betting accomplishes a few things that checking doesnt:
-Gets money in when you're ahead
-Tells you when you're beat (You get raised)
-Gets value from hands that might otherwise check behind

[lacrymosa]

bet the pot on flop and turn (or close to it), as played I probably c/c the river.

[allrightfine]

thanks everyone for the feedback. I definitely agree that a psb on the flop and turn are preferable and like a blocking bet on the river over C/C

[RAHZero]

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Betting accomplishes a few things that checking doesnt:
-Gets money in when you're ahead
-Tells you when you're beat (You get raised)
-Gets value from hands that might otherwise check behind

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Checking also gets value from bluffs that would have folded to a bet, and prevents us from getting bluff-raised off the best hand. There are definitely arguments for either line here. With a stronger hand than one pair, betting is probably best, but with just an overpair against a LAG, I like a check.

[SCBielski]

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Betting accomplishes a few things that checking doesnt:
-Gets money in when you're ahead
-Tells you when you're beat (You get raised)
-Gets value from hands that might otherwise check behind

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