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#61
01-30-2007, 05:20 PM
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Re: Catholics vs. Hitler
The basic premise of my post is
the church did terrible things. I think the torturing and killing by the church was worse than what hitler did. It may have been numerically less but it was worst. Why isnt the catholic church demonized like hitler. If you say because they do so much good now. Thats fine. Than there should be no death penalty or life sentences for inmates who are trully sorry and want to devote there life to good. 
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#63
01-30-2007, 05:22 PM
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Re: Catholics vs. Hitler
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It's not just "don't use birth control". If you pick and choose what advice you'll follow, bad things might happen. If those who are being taught not to use birth control also ignore the "don't have pre-marital sex" part, is that really the Catholic Church's fault? [/ QUOTE ] But 'not having pre-marital' sex (1) is unrealistic and against human nature (2) doesn't help if they don't listen to that part.... let's say a man cheats on his wife. He has an affair, doesn't use a condom because he hasn't been taught about them and realize he could protect himself... and he now spreads AIDS to his wife (I use this example since I recall a story where this was actually happening)... Imagine now that the Church taught abstinance as "plan A" AND to use birth control if you don't follow "plan A." How REVOLUTIONARY. How REALISTIC. Think of the potential lives saved!
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#65
01-30-2007, 05:26 PM
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Re: Catholics vs. Hitler
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The basic premise of my post is the church did terrible things. I think the torturing and killing by the church was worse than what hitler did. It may have been numerically less but it was worst. Why isnt the catholic church demonized like hitler. If you say because they do so much good now. Thats fine. Than there should be no death penalty or life sentences for inmates who are trully sorry and want to devote there life to good. [/ QUOTE ] the church can't kill anyone.
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#66
01-30-2007, 05:31 PM
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Re: Catholics vs. Hitler
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If the catholic church wasnt in Africa would AIDS slow down?? Because one thing is the church not helping and another thing is harming. The church is simply not helping [/ QUOTE ] Telling someone with AIDS or at risk for AIDS to not wear a condom is like telling doctors to stop giving children the vaccines for Small Pox and Polio. Not helping is hurting! [ QUOTE ] Stem cell research is at least debatable. [/ QUOTE ] This I gotta hear. Imagine that I'm driving a trash truck and I've just picked up a batch of in vitro discards from a fertility clinic. I'm on my way to a dumpsite and some scientists flag down my truck. They ask me if they can tinker around with my trash a little, look at stuff under microscopes, they even promise not to clone any of the embryos. They say this could potentially save or improve billions of lives. Now please give me a debatable argument as to why I should refuse that is not a complete stretch and is without the poison of religion informing your debate. [ QUOTE ] you are completely missing the good stuff the church does [/ QUOTE ] I admitted that they do good stuff. I just believe that you could do all the good stuff without the bad stuff that stems from bogus messages sent from an imaginary superdaddy. How about if the Catholic Church said that starting tomorrow they were just going to be an outfit that organizes good deeds. They'll meet every Sunday for 15 minutes of Oprah style inspirational messages and then spend the rest of the hour or more building homes for the poor, feeding the hungry, clothing the needy, cleaning up the community, visiting the lonely, caring for the sick, donating blood, etc. We could even sing campfire type songs as we work. Everyone would bond, help others, and feel good. Plus, any group leaders who can't keep their zippers zipped get kicked out of the club immediately. The way I see it this would provide much better results. No god required. Hell, I'd even sign up and join you arm in arm every weekend. We don't need fairy tales that spit out half good advice(love your neighbor) and half bad(being gay is a crime, don't treat your slaves too badly). We just need good people to band together. Jettison all the gibberish and I'm in! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#68
01-30-2007, 05:33 PM
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Re: Catholics vs. Hitler
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The basic premise of my post is the church did terrible things. [/ QUOTE ] Your premise sucks because the church is not a person that can act. [ QUOTE ] Why isnt the catholic church demonized like hitler. [/ QUOTE ] The church can't act and those who did bad things in the past are not alive anymore. Those who did order bad things, are not looked upon well by history. I understand what you're trying to do. You want to demonize an organization for the sins of those who once belonged to it a long, long time ago because of your anti-christian views. Most intelligent people here can see your silly attempts for what they are.
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#69
01-30-2007, 05:38 PM
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Re: Catholics vs. Hitler
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But 'not having pre-marital' sex (1) is unrealistic [/ QUOTE ] No it's not. [ QUOTE ] (2) doesn't help if they don't listen to that part.... let's say a man cheats on his wife. He has an affair, doesn't use a condom because he hasn't been taught about them and realize he could protect himself... and he now spreads AIDS to his wife (I use this example since I recall a story where this was actually happening)... [/ QUOTE ] Hmmm, should have listened to that other Christian teaching of not committing adultery. Funny how listening to God can help protect you.... [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [ QUOTE ] Imagine now that the Church taught abstinance as "plan A" AND to use birth control if you don't follow "plan A." [/ QUOTE ] If they don't want to listen to the church on subject A, why would they listen on subject B? Why is it the Church's responsibility to poo-poo sin?
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