Catholics vs. Hitler

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Hitler was a catholic his whole life and his anti-semitism came from the church. There is overwhelming evidence for this. Nothing good can come from the coverup and denial by the church and its followers.

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Hitler remained a nominal catholic, but his religious beliefs are a matter of controversy, as there is also overwhelming evidence that he despised much of Christianity. You are also misrepresenting the evidence with respect to the source of his anti-semitism. Read Daniel Gasman.

[hashi92]

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Im sure if hitler succeeded in his plan the text books of today would paint a different picture of him. he would be the hero of the arian race and all the killings he did would be for the greater good.

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I guess I missed the part where the textbooks of today pain the inquisition as being for the greater good. Listen man, this whole thread sounds like the whining of some 14 year old who is mad that his mom makes him go to church. Why do you think some of the very intelligent "religion haters" arent in here defending you? It's because this is stupid.

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Text books dont demonize the inquistion. The people who were involved were exonerated because they were doing the will of God.

[hashi92]

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The OP question is "they did the same bad thing, why dont they have the same reputation" my answer is " even thought they did the same bad thing, catholics have also done good things."

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Just becuase they did goog things doesnt make their crimes any better than what the nazis did. both brutally murdered and killed for their own ideals.

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we are now officially discussing in circles.

OK we have person A and person B.
Person A does an horrible thing.
Person B does and horrible thing but also does a good thing afterwards.
Person A is a bad person
Person B is also a bad person but not as bad as person A
Please tell me you got it.
Btw im conceding a lot of points just for the sake of the debate( im conceding that the church is a bad insitution, im comparing an insitution that have changed the people that run them to a person, im also ignoring that the insititutions made the harm hundreds of years ago)

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Okay how about if Charles Manson became a teacher. Would you feel good about him teaching your kids. How about if he became an ordained priest. What if he realized all of his crimes were a mistake and he wanted to dedicate his life to doing good. Would you feel comfortable with him preaching at your church.

[hashi92]

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The OP question is "they did the same bad thing, why dont they have the same reputation" my answer is " even thought they did the same bad thing, catholics have also done good things."

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Just becuase they did goog things doesnt make their crimes any better than what the nazis did. both brutally murdered and killed for their own ideals.

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we are now officially discussing in circles.

OK we have person A and person B.
Person A does an horrible thing.
Person B does and horrible thing but also does a good thing afterwards.
Person A is a bad person
Person B is also a bad person but not as bad as person A
Please tell me you got it.
Btw im conceding a lot of points just for the sake of the debate( im conceding that the church is a bad insitution, im comparing an insitution that have changed the people that run them to a person, im also ignoring that the insititutions made the harm hundreds of years ago)

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my point is how do you know A would not have done the same good deeds as B. A failed and commited suicide therefore you can only guess what would have happened. But know power can continue to be evil without an external force rising up to stop it.

[T_Money]

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my point is how do you know A would not have done the same good deeds as B. A failed and commited suicide therefore you can only guess what would have happened. But know power can continue to be evil without an external force rising up to stop it.

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Holy [censored]. The church isn't a person, it's an institution. Many colleges segregated black and white, and then the policy changed because they realized it was racist. Does this mean that all colleges who had segregation are still racist. Not to mention the fact that not a single person who was involved in carrying out the evils of the inquisition are still participating in the church.

[hashi92]

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my point is how do you know A would not have done the same good deeds as B. A failed and commited suicide therefore you can only guess what would have happened. But know power can continue to be evil without an external force rising up to stop it.

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Holy [censored]. The church isn't a person, it's an institution. Many colleges segregated black and white, and then the policy changed because they realized it was racist. Does this mean that all colleges who had segregation are still racist. Not to mention the fact that not a single person who was involved in carrying out the evils of the inquisition are still participating in the church.

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Just because colleges are not segregated anymore doesnt mean that some of them are not racially biased.

[vhawk01]

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basically hitler was trying to do the same thing.

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Conversion was not an option in Auschwitz.

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Nor during the Inquisition.

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Come on, you have stretched this thing enough. The Inquisition was quite unlike Auschwitz, and Hitler's regime was far more monstrous than Savonarola's. It's not even close.

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By numbers? Otherwise, I don't see how you can say this.

[valenzuela]

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The OP question is "they did the same bad thing, why dont they have the same reputation" my answer is " even thought they did the same bad thing, catholics have also done good things."

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Just becuase they did goog things doesnt make their crimes any better than what the nazis did. both brutally murdered and killed for their own ideals.

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we are now officially discussing in circles.

OK we have person A and person B.
Person A does an horrible thing.
Person B does and horrible thing but also does a good thing afterwards.
Person A is a bad person
Person B is also a bad person but not as bad as person A
Please tell me you got it.
Btw im conceding a lot of points just for the sake of the debate( im conceding that the church is a bad insitution, im comparing an insitution that have changed the people that run them to a person, im also ignoring that the insititutions made the harm hundreds of years ago)

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Okay how about if Charles Manson became a teacher. Would you feel good about him teaching your kids. How about if he became an ordained priest. What if he realized all of his crimes were a mistake and he wanted to dedicate his life to doing good. Would you feel comfortable with him preaching at your church.

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Im an atheist.

[valenzuela]

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the Pope is still spouting [censored], and is arguably responsible for a great deal of AIDs deaths in Africa

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please explain how this is so.

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generations of ignorance

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I went to a jesuit high school. My two sister are studying on a catholic university( which happens to be the best in Chile along with the state university)

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misogynistic behavior

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You can also blame this on Aristoteles.... But anyway what have you done to stop the misognystic behaviour.

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the spread of the genes of less intelligent catholics

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this part of youre post is just scary.







ps: I may or may not have been leveled.

[valenzuela]

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my point is how do you know A would not have done the same good deeds as B

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He didnt because he chose to commit suicide.