Catholics vs. Hitler

[hashi92]

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you seem to be defending the church which leads me to believe this.

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Im not defending the church, Im just saying the church aint as bad as hitler. Bush isnt as bad as Hitler but that doesnt mean I think Bush is good or anything.

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A murder is a murder it shouldnt matter if you know the person or not

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Actually it should.
If Joe murders a random person I will be pissed at Joe for about 30 seconds, if Joe murders my sister Im going to hate him all my life.

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If your saying it only matters when emotions are in affect than you are a hypocrit

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How so? Plus Im saying it should matter less if its someone I dont know not that it shouldnt matter at all.

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I would be thankful for a murderer saving someone i new but i wouldnt put them on a pedestal.

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thankful = good feelings.

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The problem is that the church was never painted as the bad guy. It was just oops they interpreted the bible wrong hee heee .

[hashi92]

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The OP question is "they did the same bad thing, why dont they have the same reputation" my answer is " even thought they did the same bad thing, catholics have also done good things."

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Just becuase they did goog things doesnt make their crimes any better than what the nazis did. both brutally murdered and killed for their own ideals.

[hashi92]

Im sure if hitler succeeded in his plan the text books of today would paint a different picture of him. he would be the hero of the arian race and all the killings he did would be for the greater good.

[T_Money]

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Im sure if hitler succeeded in his plan the text books of today would paint a different picture of him. he would be the hero of the arian race and all the killings he did would be for the greater good.

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I guess I missed the part where the textbooks of today pain the inquisition as being for the greater good. Listen man, this whole thread sounds like the whining of some 14 year old who is mad that his mom makes him go to church. Why do you think some of the very intelligent "religion haters" arent in here defending you? It's because this is stupid.

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Catholics vs Hitler...

Catholics are still a plague on this earth and Hitler isn't.

Holla!

[IronUnkind]

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Why do you think some of the very intelligent "religion haters" arent in here defending you?

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Too busy comparing religion and rape?

[thylacine]

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I hate this forum, the reason of why catholics arent at the same level as Hitler its obvisouly because catholics have also done good stuff, and somehow someway we have a debate about who was worse hitler or the church during the inquisition.

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Ok I grant you the catholic church has done both good things and bad things.

Now what exactly was the catholic church's excuse for all the bad things?

P.S. Hitler was a catholic his whole life and his anti-semitism came from the church.

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The stupidity and ignorance in this thread is astounding. Hitler was an apostate and murdered influential Catholics while assuming power (eg. Englebert Dolfuss, Dr. Erich Klausner).

Incidentally, this is what a pretty smart agnostic Jew had to say about the Church in Nazi Germany:

“[As a]lover of freedom, when the (Nazi) revolution came, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but no, the universities were immediately silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers, whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks...Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration for it because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual and moral freedom. I am forced to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly”

Albert Einstein, Time Magazine December 1940.

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Hitler was a catholic his whole life and his anti-semitism came from the church. There is overwhelming evidence for this. Nothing good can come from the coverup and denial by the church and its followers. Your response is the classic response of a person who refuses to come to terms with the extreme evil that is at the very core of religion, with the inquisition and the holocaust being just two of many examples.

[T_Money]

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Hitler was a catholic his whole life and his anti-semitism came from the church. There is overwhelming evidence for this. Nothing good can come from the coverup and denial by the church and its followers. Your response is the classic response of a person who refuses to come to terms with the extreme evil that is at the very core of religion, with the inquisition and the holocaust being just two of many examples.

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First and foremost, evil is at the core of men, not christianity. Yes, the catholic church has a dark history. Do you want a cookie for figuring that out? So does America. Next, you do realize that some theories of the evolution of the human are based that races evolved seperate of each other and therefore some races are superior to others, right? Is this bigotry and racism, so does that mean that the evolution is evil?

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The OP question is "they did the same bad thing, why dont they have the same reputation" my answer is " even thought they did the same bad thing, catholics have also done good things."

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Just becuase they did goog things doesnt make their crimes any better than what the nazis did. both brutally murdered and killed for their own ideals.

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we are now officially discussing in circles.

OK we have person A and person B.
Person A does an horrible thing.
Person B does and horrible thing but also does a good thing afterwards.
Person A is a bad person
Person B is also a bad person but not as bad as person A
Please tell me you got it.
Btw im conceding a lot of points just for the sake of the debate( im conceding that the church is a bad insitution, im comparing an insitution that have changed the people that run them to a person, im also ignoring that the insititutions made the harm hundreds of years ago)

[arahant]

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The OP question is "they did the same bad thing, why dont they have the same reputation" my answer is " even thought they did the same bad thing, catholics have also done good things."

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Just becuase they did goog things doesnt make their crimes any better than what the nazis did. both brutally murdered and killed for their own ideals.

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we are now officially discussing in circles.

OK we have person A and person B.
Person A does an horrible thing.
Person B does and horrible thing but also does a good thing afterwards.
Person A is a bad person
Person B is also a bad person but not as bad as person A
Please tell me you got it.
Btw im conceding a lot of points just for the sake of the debate( im conceding that the church is a bad insitution, im comparing an insitution that have changed the people that run them to a person, im also ignoring that the insititutions made the harm hundreds of years ago)

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Well, yeah, but you're completely ignoring the possibility that the Nazis were better than the Catholic Church.

I look at it more like:
Both the church and and the Nazis killed Jews.
The church was complicit in genocide during the holocaust, but probably killed some Jews outside that period, too.
To the best of my knowledge Nazis didn't molest children.
Nazis are gone, but the Pope is still spouting [censored], and is arguably responsible for a great deal of AIDs deaths in Africa, generations of ignorance, misogynistic behavior, the spread of the genes of less intelligent catholics, and frankly, the latest pope is a bit of a prick.

Hitler, on the other hand, pulled America out of the great depression, gave us a sense of honor, advanced nuclear science and aerodynamics, and gave us the greatest rhetorical device of all time ("yeah, that's what the NAZIS would say!!").

Frankly, I don't see how it's even close.