Catholics vs. Hitler

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The OP question is "they did the same bad thing, why dont they have the same reputation" my answer is " even thought they did the same bad thing, catholics have also done good things."

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I hate this forum, the reason of why catholics arent at the same level as Hitler its obvisouly because catholics have also done good stuff, and somehow someway we have a debate about who was worse hitler or the church during the inquisition.

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Ok I grant you the catholic church has done both good things and bad things.

Now what exactly was the catholic church's excuse for all the bad things?

P.S. Hitler was a catholic his whole life and his anti-semitism came from the church.

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The stupidity and ignorance in this thread is astounding. Hitler was an apostate and murdered influential Catholics while assuming power (eg. Englebert Dolfuss, Dr. Erich Klausner).

Incidentally, this is what a pretty smart agnostic Jew had to say about the Church in Nazi Germany:

“[As a]lover of freedom, when the (Nazi) revolution came, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but no, the universities were immediately silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers, whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks...Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration for it because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual and moral freedom. I am forced to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly”

Albert Einstein, Time Magazine December 1940.

[hashi92]

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The OP question is "they did the same bad thing, why dont they have the same reputation" my answer is " even thought they did the same bad thing, catholics have also done good things." [/quote




So if hitler started a charity after he rid the world of jews it would be alright. he would no longer be the most evil man in the world.

[valenzuela]

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So if hitler started a charity after he rid the world of jews it would be alright.

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no it wouldnt, I never posted that the inquisition was alright because the church did good stuff afterwards.

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he would no longer be the most evil man in the world.

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If the charity was as big as the catholic church of course he wouldnt be the most evil man in the world.

[hashi92]

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So if hitler started a charity after he rid the world of jews it would be alright.

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no it wouldnt, I never posted that the inquisition was alright because the church did good stuff afterwards.

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he would no longer be the most evil man in the world.

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If the charity was as big as the catholic church of course he wouldnt be the most evil man in the world.

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So the lives of millions mean nothing as long as good eventually comes from it.

[valenzuela]

The fact that I say that Hitler wouldnt be as bad if he had created a good charity does not imply that the lives of millions mean nothing as long as good eventually comes from it.

[hashi92]

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The fact that I say that Hitler wouldnt be as bad if he had created a good charity does not imply that the lives of millions mean nothing as long as good eventually comes from it.

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So you have no ill will towards the church for killing thousands of innocent people. Your basically saying if someone brutally raped and killed your mom and than dedicated his whole life to doing good you would forgive him and put him on a pedastal for all to worship.

[valenzuela]

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So you have no ill will towards the church for killing thousands of innocent people.

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When did I say such thing?


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Your basically saying if someone brutally raped and killed your mom and than dedicated his whole life to doing good you would forgive him and put him on a pedastal for all to worship.

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This part of youre post is just weak.
First mistake you are playing the emotion card. You are comparing a situation in which an unknown was harmed and an unknown was helped to a situation in which my mom was harmed and an unknow was helped. Im sure you would have good feelings toward someone who brutally killed someone and then saved youre mothers life.
The other mistake in youre post is somehow assuming that not being as bad as hitler means that we have to put in on a pedestal for all of us to worship.

[hashi92]

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So you have no ill will towards the church for killing thousands of innocent people.

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When did I say such thing?




you seem to be defending the church which leads me to believe this.


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Your basically saying if someone brutally raped and killed your mom and than dedicated his whole life to doing good you would forgive him and put him on a pedastal for all to worship.

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eople do worship and put the church on a pedestal. they did murder thousands of people didnt they




This part of youre post is just weak.
First mistake you are playing the emotion card. You are comparing a situation in which an unknown was harmed and an unknown was helped to a situation in which my mom was harmed and an unknow was helped. Im sure you would have good feelings toward someone who brutally killed someone and then saved youre mothers life.
The other mistake in youre post is somehow assuming that not being as bad as hitler means that we have to put in on a pedestal for all of us to worship.

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A life is a life i just used your mom to prove a point. A murder is a murder it shouldnt matter if you know the person or not. If your saying it only matters when emotions are in affect than you are a hypocrit. I would be thankful for a murderer saving someone i new but i wouldnt put them on a pedestal.

[valenzuela]

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you seem to be defending the church which leads me to believe this.

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Im not defending the church, Im just saying the church aint as bad as hitler. Bush isnt as bad as Hitler but that doesnt mean I think Bush is good or anything.

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A murder is a murder it shouldnt matter if you know the person or not

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Actually it should.
If Joe murders a random person I will be pissed at Joe for about 30 seconds, if Joe murders my sister Im going to hate him all my life.

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If your saying it only matters when emotions are in affect than you are a hypocrit

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How so? Plus Im saying it should matter less if its someone I dont know not that it shouldnt matter at all.

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I would be thankful for a murderer saving someone i new but i wouldnt put them on a pedestal.

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thankful = good feelings.