To Induce, or Not to Induce

[James.]

hand 1

folds to MP3(19/12/3.2)who raises, folds to me in the bb with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], i call.

Flop(4.5sb): K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

i check, MP bets, i c/r, he 3bets, i call.

Turn(5.25bb): 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

i check, he checks.

River(5.25bb): 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

i check...

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hand 2

i raise K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the button, sb folds, bb(21/8/2.6)calls.

Flop(4.5sb): A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

he checks, i bet, he calls.

Turn(3.25bb): T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

he checks, i check?

[*TT*]

Hand 1 I 4-bet at times on the flop, and I usually induce on the river.

Hand #2 - I don't see much wrong with giving a free card there. Whats your plan on the river given a blank? What about if it pairs the board or is a bway card?

TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

[JJH3984]

I think I like hand one because his range includes a good number of hands that can't call a bet (and that will probably bluff the river. Its probably close though considering he is never folding A high in this spot. I guess it depends if he is the type to 3bet A high for a cheap showdown in this spot. Also are you c/ring the river? I don't think he is ever ahead, but I also don't know if he has a hand that can call a c/r.

[James.]

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are you c/ring the river?

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no.

[Jiggymike]

I would probably bet the first hand. He might bluff a missed FD but I could see him playing other hands similarly that would just be happy to showdown (med. pp might not bet turn or river). He will probably call with a lot of these. However, if he is aggressive enough to bluff/raise that river I would just check.

Hand 2 I think inducing is OK but it looks clsoe and I'm not sure.

[Hobbs.]

yes, no

[James.]

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Hand #2 - I don't see much wrong with giving a free card there. Whats your plan on the river given a blank? What about if it pairs the board or is a bway card?

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on a blank if he bets, i call. if it pairs the board and he bets, i call. if it's a broadway card and he bets, i call. i will say, in all of the above scenarios i have been known to raise a marginal portion of the time. more often in the broadway scenario if i think he caught a Q or something to pay me off. if he checks the river in any of the above scenarios i'm valuebetting all of them.

[James.]

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hand 2

i raise K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the button, sb folds, bb(21/8/2.6)calls.

Flop(4.5sb): A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

he checks, i bet, he calls.

Turn(3.25bb): 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

he checks, i check?

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i royally screwed up the board as i was posting from memory. this is the actual board. i don't know why i thought it was a ten on the turn.

[ninenine_zoe]

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Hand #2 - I don't see much wrong with giving a free card there. Whats your plan on the river given a blank? What about if it pairs the board or is a bway card?

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maybe im bet/folding too many turns but this looks like an easy bet/fold to me (w/a T being the turn card - i can see reasons for checking a raggy turn card).
could someone explain the reasons for inducing w/K7 on AKrT board? we are way behind or villain is drawing from 2 to 9 outs.

i'm not sure what i do on hand n°2, but i would be interested to know what do you think he flat-calls the flop with, and therefore given his hand what are the advantages of checking the turn.

is it like: if i bet he will call me down of c/r me with a hand that beats me or as a bluff and i won't be able to see a showdown

and: he 'll fold if i have him beat, instead of taking a shot on the river if i show weakness.