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#11
01-25-2007, 10:39 AM
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Re: It\'s about time we had this discussion
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Theoritically, I'd rather just raise more oop and less in position and not worry at all about my hand but rather my hand range [/ QUOTE ] opposite way round bro. 
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#12
01-25-2007, 10:42 AM
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Re: It\'s about time we had this discussion
No, I said it quite correctly ... why would you do it the other way around ?
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#13
01-25-2007, 10:44 AM
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Re: It\'s about time we had this discussion
i agree with carrotsnake and i always raise a little more out of the blinds if i am re popping or raising limpers although that amount will not change, it will be consistently the same amount for that particular play in that particular position and is never related to what i hold.
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#14
01-25-2007, 10:50 AM
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Re: It\'s about time we had this discussion
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[ QUOTE ] Theoritically, I'd rather just raise more oop and less in position and not worry at all about my hand but rather my hand range [/ QUOTE ] opposite way round bro. [/ QUOTE ] actually he's right. You want to play bigger pots OOP than in position. When it comes to reraised pots anyway. The larger the pot is, especially reraised, the less skill and position are involved. It's basically allin or fold. In position you want to take more flops with marginal holdings so you can outplay the fishies with position but that's an entirely another thread
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#15
01-25-2007, 10:55 AM
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Re: It\'s about time we had this discussion
Many can and have made a good argument for changing our preflop raises depending on a certain number of variables. However, the bottom line is that the SSNL current method of 3bb + 1bb for every limper or PSR & raising a slightly larger amount out of the blinds works. It just works. The results that plenty of players have had, myself included prove this. The time and effort required to prove this with real data (i.e. 100s of thousands of hands) will not be done by any of us or any of the theorists who claim the changing of sizes is for lack of a different term "better."
If I had to guess, I would say it most likely has a very small influence in either direction. Frankly, worrying about this or discussing doesn't do us much good unless some of the winning players are willing to compile enough real game statistics to prove this one way or another. Just my 2 cents.
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#16
01-25-2007, 10:58 AM
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Re: It\'s about time we had this discussion
tbh kil, I just meant raised pots, not even reraised
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#18
01-25-2007, 11:02 AM
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Re: It\'s about time we had this discussion
i'm totally confused, and everyone is saying different stuff on aim. this could be a whole ruse just to level me
screw u all, $8 opener FTW
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#19
01-25-2007, 11:07 AM
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Re: It\'s about time we had this discussion
meh, gimme a reason I'm wrong. And I do agree with you on the 3 bet thing for sure <3
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#20
01-25-2007, 12:06 PM
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Re: It\'s about time we had this discussion
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If I had to guess, I would say it most likely has a very small influence in either direction. Frankly, worrying about this or discussing doesn't do us much good unless some of the winning players are willing to compile enough real game statistics to prove this one way or another. Just my 2 cents. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree... You don't need a ton of stats. Preflop is just another street. If someone posts a hand and asks how much to bet on the turn of a particular, do you go to your stats to find the optimal bet? or do you use logic and reasoning to determine the correct bet? Preflop is no different.
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