What hell is with all the miniraises? - Page 5

DaCooler · #41 01-25-2007, 12:32 AM

damn , harsh

Thremp · #42 01-25-2007, 12:35 AM

limon,

What about minbetting on river to facilitate a raise? Do you think he bombs away with usual value bet hands when you lead 1BB into a 70BB pot?

Matt Flynn · #43 01-25-2007, 12:41 AM

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its like taking candy from babies but that is not the reason i started posting here but it is the reason why ill stop. the hsnl forums had become so poisonous, sophomoric, and misguided that i came down here to give some love to the up and coming students of the game. its even worse down here because you guys dont even have basic poker knowledge to accompany your juvenile delinquency.

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somebody insult limon quick.

limon:

2+2's demographic includes a lot of as sholes. that's just the way it is. there are plenty of good folks here too, and some will figure out that you know what you're talking about. stick around for a week or two.

74o_Clownsuit · #44 01-25-2007, 12:45 AM

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people are taking limons advice.

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possibly true. i have many students. just looking at this thread and the angst they cuase proves the power especially the guy who treats min and full raises the same. i would min raise that guy into a coma. BTW DO NOT TRY THIS W/O PROPER INSTRUCTION. YOU WILL GET SLAUGHTERED.

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yeah, that would work great for you.

the first two times.

my post was regarding unknowns.

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hmmm, how would you treat them after the 1st two times?

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after the first two, i'd shove over every subsequent minraise.

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I haven't read past this, but LOL LOL LOL..

I hope you realize that limon pwned you in this thread due to this response..

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its like taking candy from babies but that is not the reason i started posting here but it is the reason why ill stop. the hsnl forums had become so poisonous, sophomoric, and misguided that i came down here to give some love to the up and coming students of the game. its even worse down here because you guys dont even have basic poker knowledge to accompany your juvenile delinquency.

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Quite the statement...

ajmargarine · #45 01-25-2007, 12:48 AM

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limon:

2+2's demographic includes a lot of as sholes. that's just the way it is.

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2p2 also includes a few mods here and there. Including myself. I for one am sick over the fact that limon or you or sunny may be run out of here by posters comments towards you guys.

Note to SSNL: Be kind. And try a little humility once in awhile. Flaming is not tolerated and bannings shall commence shortly and swiftly for future offenders.

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Thremp · #46 01-25-2007, 12:55 AM

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Note to SSNL: Blah blah blah... I'm a power nazi

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limon · #47 01-25-2007, 12:56 AM

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limon:

2+2's demographic includes a lot of as sholes. that's just the way it is.

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2p2 also includes a few mods here and there. Including myself. I for one am sick over the fact that limon or you or sunny may be run out of here by posters comments towards you guys.

Note to SSNL: Be kind. And try a little humility once in awhile. Flaming is not tolerated and bannings shall commence shortly and swiftly for future offenders.

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just respond to all posters as you would zee or sklansky or doyle if he popped up here (which you dont know he hasnt). it doesnt mean agree or even be nice it just means critique and question constructively.

Weir · #48 01-25-2007, 02:39 AM

i know this doesn't really apply.........

but i screwed around playing a $6 donkngo and i played every single hand by minraising preflop and only minbetting, minraising. it was insane how i got into people's heads and they started shoving the most random crap over my minraises.

delta k · #49 01-25-2007, 02:41 AM

YALLL aRE FISH ABD DeSERVE BUTTER AND A NICE POTATO

the machine · #50 01-25-2007, 02:49 AM

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i just treat them like normal raises (that provide you with different pot odds, obviously). i don't think they "mean" anything; in other words, the average minraising villain is neither stronger nor weaker than the average raising villain in my opinion. here are two from today:

Full Tilt Poker
$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
5 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter

Stack Sizes
BTN: $97.50
SB: $191.95
BB: $94.35
UTG: $73
Hero (MP): $196.80

Preflop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($3, 5 players)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $7, BTN calls $7, SB folds, BB folds

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($17, 2 players)
Hero bets $13, BTN raises to $26, Hero raises all in to $189.80, BTN calls all in for $64.50
Uncalled bet of $99.30 returned to Hero

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] ($198, 2 players)
No action

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] ($198, 2 players)
No action

Results:
BTN had 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pair, Nines and Twos)
Hero had Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a full house, Queens full of Twos) and won $195
Final Pot: $195.00 ($3.00 rake)

Full Tilt Poker
$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
6 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter

Stack Sizes
SB: $199.2
BB: $294.35
Hero (UTG): $321.40
MP: $230.05
CO: $178.35
BTN: $328.60

Preflop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($3, 6 players)
Hero raises to $7, MP folds, CO calls $7, BTN folds, SB folds, BB calls $5

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($22, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $17, CO raises to $34, BB folds, Hero raises all in to $314.40, CO calls all in for $137.35
Uncalled bet of $143.05 returned to Hero

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] ($364.7, 2 players)
No action

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] ($364.7, 2 players)
No action

Results:
Hero had J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Jacks) and won $361.70
CO had 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Sevens)
Final Pot: $361.70 ($3.00 rake)

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ok tannen, you posted hands where you have overpairs, how about a tough hand where you hold QQ and flop is A J 8 with 2 diamonds. call raise fold???

i usually peel one here and fold to aggression on hte turn. its so easily exploitable though. my hand is basically face up. and of course when i flop an ace or soemthing a c-bet takes it down.

damn the downsizings