it seems like everytime i cold 4 it with aces...

[Evil_Andy]

You need to raise bigger PF when you are this deep. How can you check that flop?

[luckychewy]

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You need to raise bigger PF when you are this deep. How can you check that flop?

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no i don't, and because i'm good at pokerz?

[adanthar]

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Villain can have smaller pair, suited connector

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($400)
BB ($382)
UTG ($507)
Hero ($638.30)
CO ($991.75)
Button ($567.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $12</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $40</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $115</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $75.

Flop: ($248) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($248) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $150</font>, CO calls $150.

River: ($548) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $373.3 (All-In)</font>

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o rly

[YoDuff]

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You need to raise bigger PF when you are this deep. How can you check that flop?

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no i don't, and because i'm good at pokerz?

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I originally thought the raise was about right. I would usually go to 120 (3x). I also figured his call with JJ was poor.
But - If you do the math, he's getting a little better than 9 to 1 implied odds (he has to call 75 with a chance to win 696). I usually want something better than that, but here, he has probably put you on AA and figures you won't fold it later if he does hit his J. I think that's a little loose, but not as bad as I originally thought, given the situation.
If you raise to 135, just 20 more, you deny him the proper implied odds to call.
Thoughts?

[YoDuff]

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If you raise to 135, just 20 more, you deny him the proper implied odds to call.
Thoughts?

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Am I off here? I'm thinking if he calls the 75, he'll have 523 left (he started with 638, minus 115). Since you 4 bet pre flop, he's pretty certain you're not going to fold later. So he needs to call 75 to win a possible 696 (the 523 he has left, plus the 173 already in the pot before his call), giving him 9.28:1 implied odds. He's got to be certain he can get the rest of your chips in if he hits, but given the 4 bet, it's gonna be pretty hard for you to get away from it.
I would have made about the same raise, but I think a little bigger is better now.
adanthar, what do you think? Do you think a raise to 135 pre flop would be better?
EDIT: (a raise to 135 makes him call 95 to win 696, implied odds of 7.32:1)

[Hattifnatt]

adanthar, you are a great poster, havent noticed you before and would appreciate if you make comments on the hands I post in the future.