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Old 01-15-2007, 02:57 PM
Kilillan Kilillan is offline
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Ehm checking this flop is pretty horrible...Villain doesn't have Ks or Qs unless hes really bad because they re-raise preflop.

Dont think he has a set here unless hes really bad because who check raises 150BBs in with a set? Probably has Js, 10s or 6,7 but if he has a set then unlucky.

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You give surprisingly poor advice without any arguments to back it up.

I don't give arguments but my advice isn't poor
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Old 01-15-2007, 03:01 PM
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check flop.

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Wow, NO.

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Would you be more likely to check at 100BB's deep and more likely to bet at 200BB's+ deep?

I think checking here with 100BB's is good.

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I'd be more inclined to check at 200bb's+ than at 100 bb's.

If you are that deep pot control starts to become a serious business, checking the flop is a good start in archieving this. Especially considering that villain is probably drawing to 2 outs...

At 100 bbs I just want to get the money in with a 3-bet pot.


To OP; I'd probably reluctantly call. But my image is a usually totally nutty (whey I like 3-betting *shrugs*) so I expect QQ+ to always push and TT/JJ occasionally. If you are very nitty with your 3-bets or in general tight it might shift to a fold but a really tough one.
I also bet less on this flop and might check it this deep...

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Ok that makes sense. If you had QQ here it is a definite flop check right?

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Yeah, I still bet with 100 bb's but probably find a fold if he pushes.
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Old 01-15-2007, 03:02 PM
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potting a dry flop in a reraised pot is a huge leak by the way

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how much are you betting? or are you checking?
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Old 01-15-2007, 03:04 PM
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If you have to call a shove here. How solid is villian btw? I mean those stats could mean villian is a total lagtard (donk), but he could also be solid. If the guy's solid I'm close to a fold on such a dry board.
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Old 01-15-2007, 03:09 PM
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potting a dry flop in a reraised pot is a huge leak by the way

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how much are you betting? or are you checking?

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eh, fine

CTS gave the same advice to tuff_fish a long while back about potting flops in reraised pots being incorrect. I pmed him about it and he gave me a very good long response, I've since then deleted it

I would usually bet 1/2pot to 2/3 pot here, I reraise a lot preflop and 1/2 pot c-bets are usually good enough to take down reraised pots. Especially if they know you're willing and capable of double barreling.
Also people do stupid things in big pots, large bluffs and long calls. Betting pot size enables them to play more or less perfectly and enables better players to get away from a flop like this with hands like TT-QQ.
He's most likely drawing to 2 outs, he's basically not getting odds to call anything nor does he have reverse implied odds since I'm not thrilled to get 230bb in with 1 pair.

Sorry if it doesn't make sense it's 4am here and I'm very drunk

I would also not check this flop and I'm unsure about the call. It's not a snapcall like a lot of people are making it out to be
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Old 01-15-2007, 03:13 PM
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I don't give arguments but my advice isn't poor

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Ehm ok, so if u check the flop for pot control which is what im assuming ur doing, what do u do when 7, 6, 3, 8 come? I mean a 4 or 5 isnt a great card either. I can see why but your deep against a donk, bet the flop for value. Checking here isn't going to win you more money from 10s-Ks because he already thinks its the nutz.
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Old 01-15-2007, 03:14 PM
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The stack size make a huge diffrence in this hand, beacause this would probably have been the most i have ever put into the pot...

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I think you should switch tables if you are not comfortable putting that much money into one pot. Just a thought.
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Old 01-15-2007, 03:14 PM
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I don't give arguments but my advice isn't poor

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Ehm ok, so if u check the turn for pot control which is what im assuming ur doing, what do u do when 7, 6, 3, 8 come? I mean a 4 or 5 isnt a great card either. I can see why but your deep against a donk, bet the flop for value. Checking here isn't going to win you more money from 10s-Ks because he already thinks its the nutz.

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wtf are you talking about

check turn for pot control? wtf?
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Old 01-15-2007, 03:17 PM
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meant the flop sorry
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Old 01-15-2007, 03:17 PM
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I don't give arguments but my advice isn't poor

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Ehm ok, so if u check the turn for pot control which is what im assuming ur doing, what do u do when 7, 6, 3, 8 come? I mean a 4 or 5 isnt a great card either. I can see why but your deep against a donk, bet the flop for value. Checking here isn't going to win you more money from 10s-Ks because he already thinks its the nutz.

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Those cards are blanks against most of his range.

Also I am not trying to get more value from TT-KK but trying to prevent damage from sets, basically I hate stacking off here and thats why I check the flop.
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