Pokertracker and pokerace

[DonkBluffer]

I use PokerTracker + PokerAce and when it sometimes doesnt work for some reason, I feel naked. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[bluef0x]

Do these programs work on the beta software? Is it even readable when the tables are that small?

[golfcchs]

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I find PA to be useless, distracting, and borderline cheating. You definately don't need it to play the $11's or $22's.

Pokertracker is slow and clumsy, but at least it imports sngs now.

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You dont think it helps when deciding push fold situations for calling ranges?

[Ignignok]

I use PA Hud, but i dont think it has helped me all that much. The stats are great and all, but when you throw out your own reads and base desicions solely on stats something is lost...

[ilya]

I don't even know what pokerace is. If it's what I think it is, to me that's cheating.

[splashpot]

It's the program that overlays stats like V$PIP, PFR, etc onto the poker table. It just reads the stats from your PT database. I personally don't use it.

[TheNoodleMan]

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I find PA to be useless, distracting, and borderline cheating.

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How can it be both useless and cheating?

[Rhett]

I can see using it at the $55's +, but I don't play the same people often enough at lower limits. I guess it helps to know when you're playing against another heavy multi-tabler.

As for the "borderline cheating". It does SQL queries on your database and calculates (adds, tabulates) for you in real time. This would not be allowed in any casino. Would it be cheating if PA showed you ICM calculations? I think so. Why is that such a strech from "flop's seen" percentages?

Party doesn't think it's cheating yet, so that's what matters. But many people have had to ask the forum if it is cheating, because it is on the borderline.

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I find PA to be useless, distracting, and borderline cheating. You definately don't need it to play the $11's or $22's.

Pokertracker is slow and clumsy, but at least it imports sngs now.

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You dont think it helps when deciding push fold situations for calling ranges?

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[lacky]

donno, got 3 dells and old eyes, havent tried the bata software

[johnnybeef]

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i think they are essential for playing well playing 8 table. Nobody else agrees. Either I make better use of it, or I am delusional. you pick

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nah, pokeroffice is essential to my 8 tabling success (there i said it usher.)