hiv and shaundeeb are total scum

[Gildwulf]

BZ agreed to Nick Rainey's tennis bet without doing his homework. Then he welched out on it and backed out (or he claims the guy that was playing Nick backed out) when he realized he was -EV. See BZ's title. Then he dropped off the face of BBV for a while. Now I guess he is back.

[nath]

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I'm not trying to troll you

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nath the paragon of virtue

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Sure you aren't.

Anyway, to respond to what you wrote, I haven't followed the Antonius / de Wolfe discussion, so I have no idea what the particulars are. I will say that nothing is black and white, and there are degrees of unethical, and also that someone can play on someone else's account for relatively legitimate (or at least not strictly unethical) reasons. Having said that, I think a player who uses someone else's account expressly to disguise their identity and gain an advantage that way is "wrong", generally speaking.

[gumpzilla]

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I'm not trying to troll you

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nath the paragon of virtue

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Sure you aren't.

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Put that back in context. entertainme was suggesting that my ethics are suspect in her post, at least to my reading. I was pointing out that this was a little weird considering that my stance is that multiaccounting in general is dirty, whereas you (whose virtues she extolled in her post as the most consistent ethics poster here, thus the paragon of virtue comment directed at her) appeared to have a softer stance on that one. So by virtue of thinking MORE things were on shaky ground, and questioning why this particular act is so much worse, I'm now a dodgy character compared to you, from her point of view. Thus, my comment.

[nath]

Saying I'm soft on multiaccounting is pretty inaccurate, given everything I posted about ZeeJustin, and how I stood my ground even when a lot of people were ripping me for it.

But these threads are to the point where now I'm spending time swatting off people who are picking nits over a particular word choice of mine instead of trying to understand the point I've been making and the obvious ethical issues here. I'm not interestted in Politics-style debating where I have to make sure every word I choose is perfect and without reproach before my points are deemed acceptable.

Cliff notes: I'm tired of defending my ethics to people who are just nitpicking.

[gumpzilla]

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Cliff notes: I'm tired of defending my ethics to people who are just nitpicking.

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I think you are still misinterpreting my intent. (EDIT: Oh yeah, and it's ironic to me that your post is about nitpicking and then you take umbrage with multiaccounting, where in the context of this discussion I'm clearly talking about multiple people using one account and not multiple accounts for one person. Context is king.) My initial post:

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This is sort of what I was trying to get at in the other thread. It seems to me like this practice is accepted at least somewhat in other contexts online, particularly in online tournies. The freezeout angle does make it worse here, but I'm still surprised at the depth of the reaction when it's largely ignored elsewhere. nath thinking, for example, that tongni exploiting HIV's [censored] reputation isn't scummy in itself is illuminating.

I find discussions of poker ethics fascinating, because everybody has an opinion and frequently not the slightest reasoning about what makes various things acceptable.

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Trying to delineate the boundaries of what is and isn't acceptable is interesting to me, and I like discussing this kind of [censored]. Most other people don't seem to. You are a useful example because you have stated your opinions on the subject publicly, and so I can point to what you think to have something to actually talk about. To say that you don't believe a particular action isn't scummy isn't really to suggest that you're a dirtbag so much as it is a useful probe for where the edges are.

[benza13]

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How about that grimmstar, he is one ugly dude!

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I mean, we'd all heard the acne jokes, but seriously, damn!

[0evg0]

blah blah meow mix and how with new purina puppy chow wow

DIE THREAD DIE

im pretty sure all this thread added to the title was that

a) tongni sucks too

and

b) there sure are a lot of dem retardos round here

[nath]

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Cliff notes: I'm tired of defending my ethics to people who are just nitpicking.

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I think you are still misinterpreting my intent. (EDIT: Oh yeah, and it's ironic to me that your post is about nitpicking and then you take umbrage with multiaccounting, where in the context of this discussion I'm clearly talking about multiple people using one account and not multiple accounts for one person. Context is king.) My initial post:

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This is sort of what I was trying to get at in the other thread. It seems to me like this practice is accepted at least somewhat in other contexts online, particularly in online tournies. The freezeout angle does make it worse here, but I'm still surprised at the depth of the reaction when it's largely ignored elsewhere. nath thinking, for example, that tongni exploiting HIV's [censored] reputation isn't scummy in itself is illuminating.

I find discussions of poker ethics fascinating, because everybody has an opinion and frequently not the slightest reasoning about what makes various things acceptable.

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Trying to delineate the boundaries of what is and isn't acceptable is interesting to me, and I like discussing this kind of [censored]. Most other people don't seem to. You are a useful example because you have stated your opinions on the subject publicly, and so I can point to what you think to have something to actually talk about. To say that you don't believe a particular action isn't scummy isn't really to suggest that you're a dirtbag so much as it is a useful probe for where the edges are.

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Okay, fair enough. I probably am misinterpreting your intent, but you'll have to understand that, given that these two threads are full of people using dubious nitpicking arguments to justify HIV et al's actions and question my ethics.

I wouldn't mind coming up with some sort of definable line so that we could be clear on these things in the future. I'm just too tired to really think these things through and have the kind of discussion you're hoping for right now. (After all, it's 6:30 AM here and I played poker for at least 10 hours.)

[baronzeus]

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BZ agreed to Nick Rainey's tennis bet without doing his homework. Then he welched out on it and backed out (or he claims the guy that was playing Nick backed out) when he realized he was -EV. See BZ's title. Then he dropped off the face of BBV for a while. Now I guess he is back.

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im not back to bbv, or 2+2 much for that matter. i just posted cuz tongni told me about the situation.

[augie_]

All,

I was hesitating to weigh in on this thread because it is really dumb and I have no idea who most of the people in this thread are (including mr. tim cum). I don't know how the lie started that shaun deeb had any of HIV's action because he didn't. Dunno if that has already been clarified in the thread. tongni and HIV would have been the only ones with money involved.

I don't even know why Shaun is involved in any of this at all. I guess he had the original "idea" but it was nothing more than a bunch of stoned dudes sitting around and talking about stuff and laughing.

The original "idea" didn't have anything to do with Gildwulf and there was no malice involved. It was just funny. Here is probably what the convo was like:

brad: "know what would be funny? if HIV won the PCA. 1.5 million? i'm sick just thinking about what would happen to that money..."

shaun: "duuuuuuuude, tony, you should play on HIV's account. there would be so much sick action.

tongni: "nah, that would just attract a bunch of good players"

brad: *puff* *cough* *choke* "we are out of weed, someone go talk to the jet ski guys"

And for what it's worth, I don't think any of this would have happened if Tony hadn't gone on that booze cruise and been so drunk.

Anyway, sorry if this has already been posted. I did not want to wade through 7 pages of retarded posts to see if any shreds of truth have come out.