$600 PLO Balls Deep

[Ross]

You could be getting your money drawing very thin, and how do you feel about calling a pot sized bet on the river if you hit your flush? No I think a fold, I have called players down in similar positions and nearly always regretted it, if he is not to be beating you now he is not only be a pretty loose player but also a bit of a fish.

[gergery]

I don't think this is an easy fold at all, tho i think fold is probably more correct than other lines. depends on villain and recent history. his weakish lead often means he can be pushed off later, as wraps 2/3rd sets top/bottom are all in his range

-g

[blopp]

I just want to pint out villian didnt raise full pot on flop and we are deep. I think I call here trying to get it checked down on river, and repot some rivers if he weak lead them. (overcards).

- B

[swope]

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I dont think its as easy a fold as some people are suggesting.

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I dont agree.

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Villan could be easily have a straight plus lower flush draw here o a hand like 6 7 plus a straight/flush draw.

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The board pairs, villian bets 222$ at it, and you think hes on a draw? Unless villian has gone broke every other hand before this, there is no reason to believe hes a complete idiot or has some fiscal deathwish.

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Given the fact that we have position I might call the turn and re-evaluate the river but I dont disagree with a fold either. It depends a lot on what you think villan is capable of on the river and on how aggressive he plays draws on he flop.

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I dont mean to sound harsh but this isnt holdem, and if you dont give people some credit for the hands they represent, you will be broke, fast.

There is almost zero chance he didnt flop a set of 7's or 6's judging from the flop bet, and even if hes soooooper loose you can safely put him on A7xx or A6xx, where x is a kicker thats almost statistically certain to beat the piss out of anything hero has.

Hero realistically has 5 outs (providing villian has a set of 6's or 7's, and has 3 outs if villian flopped TTP etc). If he makes his flush, its even harder to get away from the inevitable bet on the river.

Folding is the right play.

[JacKnight21]

paired board, 3 on flop, and people are still hoppping their flush draw might be good. WTF???

u might have 3 outs u might be dead he's bad post flop catch him another time

[Pudge714]

Do people really think his flop c/r is only 77/66/A7/A6 there are so many huge draws he can c/r that I'm beating. He's giving me good odds there are 3-4 river cards that give me the nuts were really deep and he's prob checking a lot of rivers to me. Not to mention I already have a read that he's too loose postflop and this has been a pretty agressive 6 max game. I feel like folding here is pretty bad.
-eagleskickass(I'm on pudge's comp)

[Eiretree]

Im not saying its not a fold, in this spot without a read I would probably lean toward a fold and if I was out of position or this were a full ring game I wouldnt give it a seconds thought however given that we are playing short handed with position I dont think is an auto fold and deserves some thought and I dont think that you can say that there is zero chance hero's draw is live. Also I think many of the posters reason for folding is wrong.

[liquid]

Isn't a huge draw going to c/r full? Foe check-raised less than pot following your c-bet on a A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] board. You hold both A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. This is a strong representation of either a set or two pair testing the pre-flop raiser.

I think it's likely you're beat on the turn. The more interesting question for me is whether it matters. Foe's turn bet is consistent with an underfull both extracting value from your exact holding and keeping the pot under control when there's still almost 200BB behind. A raise by you would be sexy but hard for me to pull the trigger on without knowing foe better, especially since you've already defined your hand for a thinking opponent, and he no longer has to worry a set-over-set scenario.

[fnord_too]

Having only played 30 hands against the guy, I fold here. I really hate playing big pots without a really big hand or a good read. Against an unknown, I would expect to see A6 or A7 here a majority of the time, 66 or 77 a bit less frequently, and air/some draw (which is effectively air at this point) the rest of the time. (say 65%, 25%, 10%).

This is definitely a need a read to continue hand for me. I think 3 betting the flop is interesting, too, but you have a real problem if he 4 bets, and if you would play AA with the heart draw by smooth calling the flop, this line is no good. Again, not something I would do (3-betting the flop) without a good read.

[swope]

the bottom line as i see it is where and how one chooses to risk ones money.

even if hero *is* drawing live, i dont see equity in not folding. the world doesnt end if he folds the best hand. in fact, it encourages villain to tighten the noose a bit and play that super aggro BS again and again until he walks straight into the nuts and gets felted.

its my experience that in PLO, the way to win the war is to bleed fools like villain when you have them where you want them, instead of risking half (or all of) your stack on a hugely improbable draw that you would *never* call down on someone you knew was competent.

even morons catch hands, and one of the hallmarks of someone new to PLO is the inability to get the hell out of the way when youre at risk because you know someone is an absolute [censored] player. position + reads mean exactly nothing on this board compared to the stark reality it represents the vast majority of times.

the only reason to call here is if you need to dump some cash for tax reasons as i see it, or of course for meta game.