HELP !!!! How do people call this ????

Trappped · #1 01-05-2007, 11:10 PM

Two tourneys back to back where I flopped top pair with JT suited and got called down with AK and both donkeys hit the turn.
The first time occured in the Stars $3 rebuy after the rebuy period.
Was down to 1600, blinds 100/200, I limp UTG with QJ of dia.
Button (has over 10k in chips) raises to 800, I call. Jack hit the flop, 8 9 J of hearts to be exact. I'm 1st to act postflop, bet my last 800, guy calls with AK os, black. King hits the turn, Ok, not enough chips to protect my hand, $3 tourney, yadda yadda, I can swallow this one.
The second one is the Killer. Full tilt, $163 buy in nightly $35k (pot was over 50k ), blinds up to 100/200, about 160 left out of 378, I'm in the BB with JT of clubs, with 5k in my stack. UTG raises to 600, he has me covered, maybe 8k. Everyone folds, I call, I'm HU and 1st to act.
Pot is 1300, J89 flop, non suited in red, I push all in for 4400 (1st to act) figuring that I can bluff the straight or draw out if I'm behind with a J,T, 7, or Q. The dude INSTACALLS with AK of clubs and turns a King, river is a blank and I lose.
How the hell does he make this call ??
Seriously ??

Poisoned · #2 01-05-2007, 11:15 PM

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Was down to 1600, blinds 100/200, I limp UTG with QJ of dia.
Button (has over 10k in chips) raises to 800, I call.

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thats a horrible line. shove or fold first time please. shove or fold to raise too, leaning toward a fold. what if you had whiffed.

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Pot is 1300, J89 flop, non suited in red, I push all in for 4400 (1st to act) figuring that I can bluff the straight or draw out if I'm behind with a J,T, 7, or Q.

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nobody in their right mind wuold buy that u have a straight there.

Trappped · #3 01-05-2007, 11:22 PM

Hey, Thanks for giving me credit for making 2 good reads and getting my money in both times as a 3-1 favorite post flop. (btw, I'm being sarcastic)
SO YOU WOULD MAKE THE CALL IN THE SECOND SCENERIO, WITH AK HIGH FOR ESSENTIALLY EVEN MONEY WITH NO HAND AND NO DRAW ?

Poisoned · #4 01-05-2007, 11:30 PM

im not saying i would call with AK. im saying that you misplayed preflop in hand 1 very badly, and overshoving nearly 4x pot in hand 2 is not much better. they made bad calls and hit, but they arent the only ones who played their hands badly...

grafyx · #5 01-05-2007, 11:33 PM

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Was down to 1600, blinds 100/200, I limp UTG with QJ of dia

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nh

Trappped · #6 01-05-2007, 11:43 PM

I disagree, here's why.
1st tourney I'm into for $9, (I missed the rebuy and add on at the end, thats why I was left with 1600), blinds were about to increase and I was UTG with a very decent drawing hand, with blinds coming around, so I made up my mind to go all the way with the hand if I hit any piece of the flop. If I shove all in preflop, AK on the button is at least calling, same result.
Second situation, I was card dead for an hour, not as desperate as the first scenerio, but I still needed to get in gear and make something happen soon. Turns out it was a very decent flop for my holding. Top pair and up and down str8 draw. My thinking was to get all my chips in on the flop and try to double up if UTG had aces or Kings he couldn't fold before the str8 became too apparent, such as any Ten in my hand would give me the str8 if 7 or Q hits. And then there was the miracle outside cahce that a worse hand would call for whatever reason, such as an underpair or AK, as was the case.

True North · #7 01-05-2007, 11:57 PM

Why is this not in BBV?

Poisoned · #8 01-06-2007, 12:04 AM

hand 1. you only have 8 BB, you dont have room to speculate with hands. blinds going up soon is MORE reason to not do this.

hand 2. you still have 25BB, youre in more then fine shape. shoving 4x pot is not the way to get something going as you say. if you have to do it, at least check/raise it all in.

LovinPoke · #9 01-06-2007, 12:06 AM

Why post this crap if you are just going to yell at us?

Trappped · #10 01-06-2007, 12:13 AM

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Why post this crap if you are just going to yell at us?

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Who's yelling ?
And I still haven't gotten a resonable opinion as to why I was called in the second situation, other than I played the hand badly, yet I was able to get all the money in as a substaintial favorite post flop, go figure.
You think villian put me on a stone bluff ?