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Old 01-03-2007, 01:56 PM
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Default Re: Are There Non Linear SNG Calling Situations?

The answer is yes there are situations. They occur in multi-way pots when 1) you are first to act after the "someone" that is trying to put you all-in with others behind you yet to act. 2) When close to the money and you are last to act after "some" of the others have called the "someone" that can put you all-in.

I'll let others elaborate.

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Old 01-03-2007, 06:31 PM
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Default Re: Are There Non Linear SNG Calling Situations?

If you are heads-up in a SNG, this is the case. Let's say that your hand wins 35% against his random hand. Your hand is +EV (your calling EV is higher than your folding EV) to call when you are short stacked, but slightly -EV to call with even stacks. Once your stack becomes large, this becomes an easy call.

The calling function is a parabolic surface, so it can go from +EV to -EV and back depending on your stack size.

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Old 01-03-2007, 07:25 PM
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Default Re: Are There Non Linear SNG Calling Situations?

With AA, I can't get #2 to come out -EV with any stack sizes that SnGPT let's me use.
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Old 01-03-2007, 07:41 PM
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Default Re: Are There Non Linear SNG Calling Situations?

Ok I ran TT - AA

AA - call, call, call
KK - call, fold, call
QQ - call, fold, call
JJ - call, fold, call - but only .1% EV
TT - call, fold, fold
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Old 01-03-2007, 08:26 PM
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Default Re: Are There Non Linear SNG Calling Situations?

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In short, your answer is "yes" regardless.

Take a situation on the bubble of a SNG (50/30/20 payout) with 200/400 blinds. You know the SB is pushing any two cards.

SITUATION 1:
UTG (400) Fold
Button (400) Fold
SB (12200) Pushes
You BB (500) with AA - CALL

SITUATION 2:
UTG (400) Fold
Button (400) Fold
SB (10300) Pushes
You BB (2400) with AA - FOLD

SITUATION 3:
UTG (400) Fold
Button (400) Fold
SB (6350) Pushes
You BB (6350) with AA - CALL

I didn't check numbers, but I'm fairly certain those decisions would be correct.

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Change AA to QQ and I agree.
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Old 01-03-2007, 08:29 PM
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Default Re: Are There Non Linear SNG Calling Situations?

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Ok I ran TT - AA

AA - call, call, call
KK - call, fold, call
QQ - call, fold, call
JJ - call, fold, call - but only .1% EV
TT - call, fold, fold

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I guess I should read all the relies before I post.
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Old 01-04-2007, 01:30 AM
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Default Re: Are There Non Linear SNG Calling Situations?

Fair enough. I was making an example up off the top of my head, and thought that would work. Like others have said, change AA to KK, and there you go. (Intuitively, thought QQ/JJ may have been a fold in #3, which is why I didn't use those hands in the first place.)
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