75 Spot vs. Paired Door Card

[Jeffage]

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I assume this is stud hi???


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Yup.

Jeff

[Jeffage]

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I think this works against you here because most of the time you get a fold out of him is when you make your straight.

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Disagree - if he has a hand like kings up, my catching a deuce or seven will not induce a fold from him. He probably will not give me in particular 345.

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If you have some plan to get him off the hand otherwise maybe I'm wrong, but I don't really see one.

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See my post above for some thoughts on this - maybe this hand is too opponent specific, I dunno.

Jeff

[Jeffage]

Not that I remember.

Jeff

[Jeffage]

Not sure I follow - - Seven handed game, $15 ante per player ($105). Seven people put the quarter in on third ($175). Then KK bets $150 for a $430 pot, giving me just under 3-1. Also, I didn't believe I would necessarily have to complete my hand to win because I was almost positive this individual had weak holecard (or perhaps a pair...but after the action on third, he could have MANY MANY holdings). I just don't give him trips because he would pretty much raise 100 percent of the time. This is obviously not true for everyone in the game, but this is my read on this player.

Jeff

[SA125]

How live were the 7's? Of the four players who limped ahead of you, did one have a 7 up and might they just have called with split 7's there? That would be the key for me.

I haven't run the numbers, but my gut says I'd have to agree with Bart. If I thought 7's were live, I'd call 4th, 5th and 6th. You're drawing to a hand that beats trips and conceding the pot to what may just be a pair of K's there is making the game easy for that guy.

[mscags]

Suited makes it an easier call, but I really think there are merits to calling or even raising here. (I'd really like calling and raising fifth if we think he'll take another stab) because as you said, when a solid player calls a double bet on fourth, it is almost CERTAINLY with a very strong hand. If this is a type of player who prides himself in making "good" laydowns and you have decent control over him, this is prob a good spot to try and push him off a hand. Also let's not forget if you hit your hand, it will be tough to put you on a straight as most ppl are assuming trips here, maybe two pair. Calling or raising fifth also allows you to most likely buy the pot if your board pairs on fifth as well.

[ACPlayer]

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Not sure I follow - - Seven handed game, $15 ante per player ($105). Seven people put the quarter in on third ($175). Then KK bets $150 for a $430 pot, giving me just under 3-1. Also, I didn't believe I would necessarily have to complete my hand to win because I was almost positive this individual had weak holecard (or perhaps a pair...but after the action on third, he could have MANY MANY holdings). I just don't give him trips because he would pretty much raise 100 percent of the time. This is obviously not true for everyone in the game, but this is my read on this player.

Jeff

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Jeff
As someone already said, the liveness of your straight cards is the most important key.

I have another test I sometimes use in this situation. Will you raise this particular player if you make your straight on say sixth street? If yes (and regardless of how live his board cards are) then go ahead and play it down.

[SittingBull]

With ante between 10% and 15% of the small bet with a live 2 flush,I would see 4th Str. and continue on with any improvement on 4th. But remember,this is a VERY MARGINAL AND VULNERABLE PLAY. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] If U confront a paired doorcard with ur 4-Str.,ur Oppo. will pound u with his mallet ALL THE WAY to the later Strs. while U are living with HOPE of completing UR Str. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Even if U complete ur hand,U might very well be facing a crowded house on a later Str. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
U will usually feel like a dying c o c k roach after ur head is bashed in with ur Oppo.'s mallet. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
If the ante is 15% or greater,I would play the small rainbow
3-Str. The reason is that it is important to frequently struggle more to recoup lost antes. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
If the ante is 10% or smaller,I would definitely dump 3rd Str. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
With this small ante,one does not need to recoup much antes
to remain viable in the game.
SittingBull

[Jeffage]

Thanks for the responses - I just wanted to post the results before I go to bed (not that they matter really, but I'll put them up for the curious).

I called on 4th street. On 5th, my opponent caught three kings on board and I bricked. He bet and I folded.

Jeff

[Andy B]

Good lay-down.

I'm still tossing 345 for the bring-in.