2/4 AA, when to slow down?

Vermin · #1 02-08-2006, 10:29 PM

UTG+2 is 10/7/1.6 over 59 hands.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 3 folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG+2 caps, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 raises, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (12.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 raises, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

River: (16.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 18.75 BB

Right to slow down at this time (when I´m raised on the turn)? When he capped it pre I´d think he most likely has KK, QQ or AK. Him calling my 3 bet on the flop and then raising the turn when a blank comes confused me a bit and I got worried about JJ so I just called it down from there.

crablegs33 · #2 02-08-2006, 10:34 PM

i think you slowed down at the exact point i would... his keeping it at 3 on the flop and then raising the turn spells JJ here more often to me than KK or QQ... not worth opening yourself up to a cap here...

Merlin27 · #3 02-09-2006, 04:59 AM

I think you played perfectly. Regarding his starting hand you forgot to mention one: his holding the other A,A...

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Manhammer · #4 02-09-2006, 05:29 AM

I like slowing down on the turn when raised, but what about c/r'ing UTG+2 on the turn and maybe trapping MP3 for another BB those times when UTG+2 has KK, QQ, or the other AA? After all, this is 2/4 and MP3 may call down all the way with something like AJ, KJ, etc., as long as he's only faced with one bet at a time. Maybe that would be a little much, but I'd like to see what everyone thinks of this route.

Niediam · #5 02-09-2006, 06:51 AM

I think you can throw in one more raise... I can see myself playing the same way if I was villian with QQ or KK.

psuasskicker · #6 02-09-2006, 11:33 AM

The only reason I wouldn't three bet this turn is cause villain may fold worse hands. I'm really reevaluating my play on the turn cause I three bet a LOT of hands from oop and get folded to a lot. My stronger hands I need to start calling and leading the river.

If you don't think he'll fold, I three bet the turn. But a 10/7/1.6 may find a fold there with KK or definitely QQ. I 100% for sure bet that river if I just call the turn raise.

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BostonMetro · #7 02-09-2006, 12:40 PM

I think you definitely have to slow down on the turn, but do you think that a 10/7 player will cap PF with JJo? I wouldn't be surprised if he showed down aces here. I think you definitely want to showdown your hand and you don't want to get fourth street capped, so just call down. I think it's equally likely for him to have JJ and KK, plus he has AA some % of the time so you don't really have a reason to push.

Fat Nicky · #8 02-09-2006, 12:55 PM

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I think you definitely have to slow down on the turn, but do you think that a 10/7 player will cap PF with JJo?

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be careful here as he only has 59 hands on this player.

Vermin · #9 02-09-2006, 12:57 PM

No, at first I didnt think he would have JJ, but that strange turn-raise made me reconsider. Me 3-betting pre-flop and then keeping on pushing on him on the flop should get him worried about me having JJ (or AA if he has KK, QQ).

noneckdude · #10 02-09-2006, 01:04 PM

Grunching

Your preflop and flop play indicate huge strength, yet he raises the turn. There is a chance he is protecting his KK or QQ from MP3. He probably knows he's not gonna get rid of you but he might try to dump MP3 (who seems very weak btw cold-calling twice) as he did on the flop with MP2. (To determine this, you have to depend on your reads.) It's either that or you're up against JJ. I like the way you played it. On the turn he's saying: I've got JJ. There's no reason for you to raise the turn or bet the river if you think Villain's chance of holding JJ is more than 25% ( a rough estimate, slap me if I'm wrong!)