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#31
12-23-2006, 10:43 PM
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Re: What % of major tourney players are backed by sheets/bax?
R,
"Is it common knowledge who is backed by them and if so can someone post a list? Or do they like to keep who they back on the downlow?" I wonder if they are willing to post a list. I'm sure we'll find out. 
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#32
12-23-2006, 10:43 PM
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Re: What % of major tourney players are backed by sheets/bax?
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Given the level of cheating that occurs in poker, I would be shocked if this sort of stuff is not going on already. [/ QUOTE ] What level of cheating? Marked cards and stolen chips are on a totally different level than a backer-sponsored system designed to advance certain players in the tournament. Again, this would be the sort of cheating that would be so hard to conceal, that, contrary to you, I would be shocked if it was going on. I don't know all the various cliques in poker, but I still don't accept the premise.
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#33
12-23-2006, 10:45 PM
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Re: What % of major tourney players are backed by sheets/bax?
shaniac,
Are you saying you're unaware of the fact that there's a lot of cheating in poker in both cardrooms and online? Also, earlier in this thread you said you had never even thought of this as a possible way of cheating, and now you are saying it's hard to conceal? Completely the opposite, man. Done even marginally intelligently, this would be incredibly hard to detect.
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#34
12-23-2006, 10:47 PM
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Re: What % of major tourney players are backed by sheets/bax?
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shaniac, Are you saying you're unaware of the fact that there's a lot of cheating in poker in both cardrooms and online? [/ QUOTE ] In the abstract, yes I am aware. It's a question of how systemic it is. I'm asking for specifics. Edit: It would hard to conceal, because poker players are yentes and word would spread. It would be impossible (as far as I figure) to be able to esnure a high enough level of secrecy from the people you employed to cheat to defray the risks of being exposed.
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#35
12-23-2006, 10:51 PM
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Re: What % of major tourney players are backed by sheets/bax?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] There is no incentive to help members of your "team" out whatseoever, backer or sponsor. [/ QUOTE ] i guess that just depends on the team's gameplan. i'm not saying that it does happen, just that it is possible... [/ QUOTE ] Are you aware of any team that employs a "gameplan?" I've never heard it hinted at, but I think if you have, it's worthy of mention in this thread. It seems like people are inventing/imagining a problem and then saying "isn't this a big problem?" I think you and El D are fantasizing a little bit, or, maybe, I'm out of touch with poker culture or with the clandestine plans of whatever crooked backers y'all know. [/ QUOTE ] No. i know of no such teams and maybe i am just being cynical. but, i began to wonder about this situation when i was told that they implemented the frequent table redraws because of complaints of soft play.
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#36
12-23-2006, 10:51 PM
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Re: What % of major tourney players are backed by sheets/bax?
shaniac,
OK, here are two specifics. There are plenty more. Lots of people softplay their friends. Online lots of people share their holecards over IM. We all know lots of people play against their friends differently. Oftentimes they have no financial stake in the outcome. Add in a financial tie and of course this is likely to occur.
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#38
12-23-2006, 10:54 PM
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Re: What % of major tourney players are backed by sheets/bax?
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shaniac, OK, here are two specifics. There are plenty more. Lots of people softplay their friends. Online lots of people share their holecards over IM. We all know lots of people play against their friends differently. Oftentimes they have no financial stake in the outcome. Add in a financial tie and of course this is likely to occur. [/ QUOTE ] Ugh, I've already mentioned the softplaying problem, and I know that there are tons of online games being colluded, but I've stated that this type of cheating is in a much different league than the type you are presenting as a threat in this thread.
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#39
12-23-2006, 10:56 PM
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Re: What % of major tourney players are backed by sheets/bax?
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shane, What % chance do you think there is that something like what I've described is currently going on in major tourneys? [/ QUOTE ] 0-10%? No [censored] idea, math is not my specialty. It seems quite far-fetched to me, but I can't tell if others in this thread have better information, or perhaps are less naive, than me.
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#40
12-23-2006, 10:57 PM
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Re: What % of major tourney players are backed by sheets/bax?
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shane, What % chance do you think there is that something like what I've described is currently going on in major tourneys? [/ QUOTE ] I would guess 100%. Edit: I am guessing cheating/colluding happens at least once in every major tournament, not that it's happening all the time in every tournament.
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