400plo, i have a big bottom wrap, but the board sucks...

[JP OSU]

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To me your flop bet isnt nearly as bad as your pfr. Why would you raise that being first to act after the flop. I understand the value of the hand, but you have to hit a pretty optimal flop in order to profit off a hand like that from that position.



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I could not disagree more with this... This is a fine hand to raise w/ in any position in a 5 handed game... You should be raising a wide variety of hands, and this is one of them...

[jlacks]

As played this a clear fold. The better questions are:

1) Is this a hand to raise preflop out of position?
2) If we do raise preflop here do we lead out?
3) If we don't raise preflop do we lead out?

Of course the style of our opponents may affect each question ...

Question 1 seems a matter of style. I am not a fan of raising preflop OOP when I can't get anyone to fold. This is a great hand against multiple opponents though so I think its close.

IMO the answer to question 2 is a definite no. I only lead into 3 opponents on a board like this if I am ready to play for all my chips and I certainly am not.

Question 3 is different though and helps support the argument for just calling preflop (when the pot is smaller it gives you more options). Perhaps in this case a half-pot defensive/probe bet would work well - though you need to fold if there's any serious action ...

I am no expert so I would love any comments from the experts on these 3 questions.

[pete fabrizio]

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As played this a clear fold. The better questions are:

1) Is this a hand to raise preflop out of position?
2) If we do raise preflop here do we lead out?
3) If we don't raise preflop do we lead out?

Of course the style of our opponents may affect each question ...

Question 1 seems a matter of style. I am not a fan of raising preflop OOP when I can't get anyone to fold. This is a great hand against multiple opponents though so I think its close.

IMO the answer to question 2 is a definite no. I only lead into 3 opponents on a board like this if I am ready to play for all my chips and I certainly am not.

Question 3 is different though and helps support the argument for just calling preflop (when the pot is smaller it gives you more options). Perhaps in this case a half-pot defensive/probe bet would work well - though you need to fold if there's any serious action ...

I am no expert so I would love any comments from the experts on these 3 questions.

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I don't know if anyone is an "expert" around here, but I think an ideal strategy will sometimes raise this hand and sometimes lead this flop.

[RoundTower]

I raise the hand most of the time, and check the flop most of the time whether I have raised or not.

[CallYNotRaise06]

flop raise is standard. ya i probably could have c/f the flop.

[TxRedMan]

i'm never leading this flop unless it's HU or sometimes 3-way w/ no f/draw.

as played it's a fold, and it's not even close.

[beset]

Four-way I will never lead this flop. Oops 2p2 vacation broken!