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#72
12-11-2006, 06:03 AM
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Re: Trip report/ask me about time in maximum (and minimum) security pr
MT2R,
Speaking of that cornbread, prison movie vs. reality question. Some guy (maybe this Cali guy you described or some black guy) grabs some of your food. What are your options here? Sounds like you are f'd if you fight him. If you let him take the food, what next? If someone like that decides to mess w/ you and you aren't affiliated with a group, are you pretty much just screwed? How often does this kind of thing come up and how does it usually end up? 
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#73
12-11-2006, 06:03 AM
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Re: Trip report/ask me about time in maximum (and minimum) security pr
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shanked means stabbed by some sharp object...likely a tool crafted from a razorblade and writing utensil EDIT: Urban Dictionary:Shanked. I like definition 2 the most as cornbread was served an awful lot. [/ QUOTE ] ty.
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#74
12-11-2006, 06:07 AM
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Re: Trip report/ask me about time in maximum (and minimum) security pr
myturn,
If you got to do it again, what exactly would you do about the aptitude tests? Do you think taking the full time would have helped even though you would obviously score highly? What percentage of the questions do you think you'd have to tank to achieve a more desirable prison assignment? How much did stuff cost in the commisary? If possible, give answers in units of hours worked [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. Is it true what Worm tells Mike McD about all the separate economies? Were there opportunities for you to win money/stuff/favors by playing cards or by hustling chess? When you were doing the ankle bracelet time, were you allowed to have a job (telecommuting or whatever)? Did you play poker during this time? If so, would this have been explicitly disallowed or implicitly disallowed or neither? Were there any open/obvious/known homosexuals? Were all of them punks? Would everyone know that a prisoner was a punk? Were the punks open about their status? Were condoms available? Did anyone ever talk about HIV or other STDs?
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#75
12-11-2006, 06:10 AM
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Re: Trip report/ask me about time in maximum (and minimum) security pr
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MT2R, Speaking of that cornbread, prison movie vs. reality question. Some guy (maybe this Cali guy you described or some black guy) grabs some of your food. What are your options here? [/ QUOTE ] protect your food better next time and get better lunch mates. If guards see it, the offender taking the food is scolded FWIW. [ QUOTE ] Sounds like you are f'd if you fight him. [/ QUOTE ] often, yes [ QUOTE ] If you let him take the food, what next? [/ QUOTE ] he'll take more and more....eventually, he'll have you buying stuff at commissary for him to take from you. I've seen it. [ QUOTE ] If someone like that decides to mess w/ you and you aren't affiliated with a group, are you pretty much just screwed? [/ QUOTE ] yes [ QUOTE ] How often does this kind of thing come up and how does it usually end up? [/ QUOTE ] comes up often. I remember someone braggin how he was going to spend $100 at commissary to the guys on his deck. He goes, and does spend $100. He comes back with his arms full of stuff in grocery bags. Before the guard comes up from the guardroom on the ground floor to open the gate for the floor, he is jumped by 5 other guys. They took all his stuff. The guy violated learns it's best to affiliate oneself and usually does. The alternative is to become heavily involved with the chapel/church groups whether one believes or not. OF course, that doesn't buy full immunity, but it helps as they often get to do things at other times than the rest of the inmate population. This happens on a weekly basis
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#76
12-11-2006, 06:11 AM
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Re: Trip report/ask me about time in maximum (and minimum) security pr
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Myturn, Sounds like you got shafted by the system hardcore. You are the perfect example of why the drug laws in this country are retarded. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly.
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#77
12-11-2006, 06:12 AM
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Re: Trip report/ask me about time in maximum (and minimum) security pr
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[ QUOTE ] You are the perfect example of why the drug laws in this country are retarded. [/ QUOTE ] I can't decide how I feel about MT2R's punishment. It's obviously [censored] that he went to a max prison, that goes without saying. But a year... I don't know. Maybe 6-8 months would be better. Would he have changed his lifestyle without prison time and just a couple years of probation? Probably. He says he would have. But at the same time, that feels like a "get out of jail free card" in my opinion. I mean... if you know you can do whatever drugs you want and at worse you will get probation... that's not really a deterrant. [/ QUOTE ] I think you're really understimating how big an impact even the slightest punishment can have. I got pinched for posession in college. I spent a couple of days in the local lockup. All charges were eventually dropped so basically nothing happened to me besides losing a weekend and having my girlfriend laugh at me when I didn't come in that night and the first phone call she gets has a recording: "This is a call from an inmate..." In spite of no real punishment, it drove me away from drugs in all except the most secure/private situations. I pretty quickly decided it wasn't even worth the hassle and stopped using all together. I think there's two types of people - those that can change and those that can't. It doesn't really matter how long you lock up either the type. Those that can change will usually change after almost any punishment. Those that can't change will be right back to their old habits after whatever punishment you give them. Anyhow, that's my rant. Thanks for sharing this mt2r. Interesting stuff!
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#78
12-11-2006, 06:18 AM
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Re: Trip report/ask me about time in maximum (and minimum) security pr
What was the last thing you did before going in?
What was the first thing you did after getting out? Ever regret your decision to take the 3 years instead of risking it? Do you believe in legalizing all drugs? Which university did you go to? Does this ever leave your record? (maybe a stupid question) Taken any illegal drugs since? (including weed) Ever consider escaping?
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#79
12-11-2006, 06:18 AM
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Re: Trip report/ask me about time in maximum (and minimum) security pr
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myturn, If you got to do it again, what exactly would you do about the aptitude tests? Do you think taking the full time would have helped even though you would obviously score highly? What percentage of the questions do you think you'd have to tank to achieve a more desirable prison assignment? [/ QUOTE ] I think 85% is a good sweet spot...reasonable and intelligent for psych evaluations and future parole board meetings, but not high enough to stick out for special treatment [ QUOTE ] How much did stuff cost in the commisary? If possible, give answers in units of hours worked [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. [/ QUOTE ] same as a regular store. My nutty buddies box was $1.19, or 8 hours of work. [ QUOTE ] Is it true what Worm tells Mike McD about all the separate economies? Were there opportunities for you to win money/stuff/favors by playing cards or by hustling chess? [/ QUOTE ] gambling is forbodden up front. It does go on among inmates, especially on chess and card games at the minimum security prison. Maximum security had some, but very little time to intermingle with others. I am unaware of any guard to prisoner economy. [ QUOTE ] When you were doing the ankle bracelet time, were you allowed to have a job (telecommuting or whatever)? Did you play poker during this time? If so, would this have been explicitly disallowed or implicitly disallowed or neither? [/ QUOTE ] This was before I found poker, but I'm sure it would've been frowned upon. Anyway, how is the parole agent going to find out? I'm at home, and it's not like s/he is constantly over my shoulder. They checked in about once a month. No big deal. I was allowed to work. A few very nice managers at the local Borders hired me on condition I didn't tell anyone else at work. The managers all knew in case my parole agent came looking for me. Those people that hired me are number one in my book always and I'll put a special word in for them with the big man upstairs if he exists. [ QUOTE ] Were there any open/obvious/known homosexuals? Were all of them punks? Would everyone know that a prisoner was a punk? Were the punks open about their status? [/ QUOTE ] open homosexuals do not last long. Guys go after them for status. These guys get removed lightning quick from the rest of the population for everyone's safety. It's well known who is leaning that way and they are gone in a sec. the homosexuals differ greatly from the rapists. [ QUOTE ] Were condoms available? Did anyone ever talk about HIV or other STDs? [/ QUOTE ] sex is against the prison rules....no condoms STDs were talked about....again, don't have sex was the extent of the conversation.
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#80
12-11-2006, 06:22 AM
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Re: Trip report/ask me about time in maximum (and minimum) security pr
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[ QUOTE ] You are the perfect example of why the drug laws in this country are retarded. [/ QUOTE ] I can't decide how I feel about MT2R's punishment. It's obviously [censored] that he went to a max prison, that goes without saying. But a year... I don't know. Maybe 6-8 months would be better. Would he have changed his lifestyle without prison time and just a couple years of probation? Probably. He says he would have. But at the same time, that feels like a "get out of jail free card" in my opinion. I mean... if you know you can do whatever drugs you want and at worse you will get probation... that's not really a deterrant. BTW, this post is independent of MT2R's individual situation. I'm just thinking outloud about drug laws in general. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah but any kind of conviction on your record, no matter how long you serve, and you're screwed job-wise. And why should the government have the right to punish him for using drugs to begin with?
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