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[PokerBob]

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I won over anout 2 bb/100 for around three years with over 100k hands per month.. Then I proceeded to lose for 13 of 14 months at a rate of over 1.5 bb/100 with vurtually the same Vpip/pfr/aggro and position stats.

I know 3 people that had over $500,000 BRs who were established players go completely bustovia in less than a years time... Im not saying it will happen to you, but pray it doesnt because there is no worse feeling than knowing that every time you log in you are going to play well and lose somewhere between 10-100 bb

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Didn't Sklansky say a while back that he thought many of the best Internet players had lucked onto a strategy that could beat the very loose style of the Internet games, but that those same players would not be able to beat the game if it changed because those players did not understand the theory behind their play? I wonder if that is what is happening here. Perhaps you guys were very good at extracting money from loose Internet games, but now that the games have tightened up you are playing a losing style? If that is true, then you guys might never be able to beat the games again unless you luck into a strategy that can beat today's tight games.

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even if much of what you say is true, this unless you luck into a strategy that can beat today's tight games assumes too much. why would it have to be "luck" that allowed them to come up with a winning strategy for these "new" games you speak of?

[kidcolin]

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It seems odd that if you're set for life monetarily, why would you continue to play poker? It seems like there's so much more you could be doing with your intellect. Unless you envision yourself playing poker until you croak, maybe it's time to move to another challenge. Life's too short to be miserable (or at least unhappy).

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a couple million or whatever he has is not enough to live on for the rest of his life

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cuz I'm sure if BK quit poker, he'd NEVER make another cent in his life.

[Leader]

Well first, you really should have posted this in a strategy forum so it would get more attention from people that can actually help you. Particularity some of the people who play against you regularly.

Now to the core of the issue. There's something wrong with your game. Not because you lost x number of bets but because no ones game is perfect. So are you doing something about it? Or are you just hitting the tables everyday playing the same way figuring that you're a winning player so you don't need to get any better? Everyday you should ask yourself if you're a better player then you were yesterday. If the answer's no, then you need to figure out why. Is it because something important came up or is it because you didn't have the discipline to apply yourself to getting better?

So let's address an even more basic question: Do you know how to get better? Do you review your play? Are you always looking for hands you don't fully understand? Are you posting those hands or getting help with them from someone? Are you going through the strategy forums and reading up? Are you thinking about the game? Are you exploring poker theory and figuring out which concepts apply to which situations? Are you writing about the concepts you're exploring so that you can crystallize your thinking?

A few suggestions:
-I noticed that all of your posts in the last week have been in non-strategy forums, almost all of them here. That's not a partially good sign. You're playing 6-max I assume. Maybe you should spend some time in SSSH. Help people out that are playing 3/6 and 5/10. If you find yourself in constant disagreement with conventional wisdom there, you should take some time to think about those concepts because that might be what's holding you back. (This isn't something you can do in one day BTW. You should make participating in the strategy forums, even if it's not the SS ones, part of every day you play.)
-Everyday before you start playing find an area of your game you're weak in. Take 10-15 min and write down how you're going to play better in that part of your game.
-If you're totally burned out in hold'em. Play something else for a while. It will likely help you rediscover your passion for the game. Plus it will help you understand how to get better at a game because you'll be starting from scratch.
-I don't know how many tables you're playing but you're making a mistake if it's more then 2. 3-6 tabling requires confidence in your game. As you said, you're lost.
-You should not be distracted while you play. No 2+2, no IM, no TV. If you find that you can't fully concentrate on poker even without the distractions, this could well be the root of any problems you're having. If this is in fact a problem for you, the solution is to slowly build up your tolerance for concentrating on the game. If you have to start at 15 min or whatever, there's no shame in that. We all suck at some things and you got to start somewhere.

Again these are all suggestions. I'm just guessing at what your problems might stem from, but hopefully, even if I missed the mark completely, it gets you thinking in the right way about your game. Also to reiterate my first point, you should ask for help in a strategy forum where people you play against post. MHSH would probably work.

[Robin Foolz]

hard to believe all of the sudden your play has deteriorated and now you're a losing poker player. your sample size says otherwise.

not enough people realize how hard is to lose 1500bbs let alone 2000bbs in limit hold em even if we tried (assuming using tag strategy). of course you're probably not playing your best game because of running bad constantly--your decision making process at the tables can get out of sync fairly quickly since it seems your reads are always wrong.

if you still like limit and like poker, i suggest you stick it out at 10/20 online (don't dip below this because of rake considerations) until your start getting expected results again. playing live poker can be even more excruciating, id say 10x times more painful when you're running bad at poker. i suggest sticking with online. good luck.

[SocalHoldEem]

I recommend changing your avatar title. You clearly can't knock on wood enough for that.

[bicyclekick]

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I recommend changing your avatar title. You clearly can't knock on wood enough for that.

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Mods cant change their own. Yes plz somebody change it. I really don't care what you make it.

[bicyclekick]

I played 3600 hands of limit today almost all 10/20 and win 63 bets and make 600 in rakeback. Played like 1k hands of 200nl and lost like 3.5 buyins.

I'll take it.

[DING-DONG YO]

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[wpr101]

I've been going through something similar. I am playing what I think is some of the best poker I've ever played except I can't seem to win consistently. While I think I'm playing well I still have lost a lot of confidence especially with my reads.

It also hurts when I see people posting about how easy it is to beat the NL games I play for 3x my winrate. Sometimes I will have a 10k stretch of hands where I completely own, but then seem to give it back somehow.

I'm considering taking a 2 week break once the new year starts. I think it might help me get my game and winrate back on track.

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I played 3600 hands of limit today almost all 10/20 and win 63 bets and make 600 in rakeback. Played like 1k hands of 200nl and lost like 3.5 buyins.

I'll take it.

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Why don't you just learn NL from the bottom up.

Take $250, play $25 game, Move up everytime you have 10-12 buy-ins. The trip across the limits will expose you to different styles.