So it's 3 bets to me in the BB with A8o....I cap

[Harv72b]

Great, great game. One maniac and another LAG at the table have everyone raising like idiots, and huge pots are the result. So of course I'm card dead and have entered maybe 3 pots in the last 4 orbits.

MP3 is our maniac. Well, "maniac" may not be the right word...he's maniacal preflop, but generally won't put in raises postflop without at least a pair. He will chase any draw to the river, however, including two undercards, and is very capable of bluffing scare cards. His preflop raising standards appear to include any pair, any ace, any king, any two broadway, or just any two other cards when he's feeling lucky. For point of reference, I've seen him call 4 cold preflop with 93o, raise a K94 flop, and bet every street afterwards when nobody reraised.

Button just joined the table an orbit prior. After posting in the CO for his first hand, he 3-bet the maniac's openraise with 22 and won at showdown UI. He value bet the river in that hand. I'm guessing that means he has my read on MP3.



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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
4 folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 raises</font>, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button 3-bets</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero caps</font>...

Thoughts? I plan to release postflop if Button gets all aggressive there, but at least see a river if I'm heads up with MP3 and show down 100% of the time if I improve at all. Maybe 75% of the time when I don't improve.

[HoneyBadger]

I can see what you're trying to do, but doesn't it just cost too much money?

[Alex424]

personally i would fold here, closer decision if it was suited

[WalkAmongUs]

i might be inclined to just leave this one alone.

if button will 3 bet with any pair, he's still ahead of you. One of them may have a better A and then if an A flops you'll be headed for showdown with only 3 outs. Putting 4 bets in dominated is bad enough and then you'll be left paying off which is even worse.

plus, i have a feeling that neither of these players would be bluffable and would see almost any pair (board or pocket) to the showdown which puts a lot more pressure on you to hit.

also, I'd wait till I get a better read on button before i attempt something like this. I'd feel good about this if I had seen button 3 betting to isolate mp3 specifically with weaker hands than pocket pairs.

[Harv72b]

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also, I'd wait till I get a better read on button before i attempt something like this. I'd feel good about this if I had seen button 3 betting to isolate mp3 specifically with weaker hands than pocket pairs.

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I think the fact that he bet the river with 22, unimproved, and won at showdown against MP3 is huge in this regard. I believe in that hand MP3 had A4o, and check/called all the way to showdown.

I'm basically banking on Button's 3-betting range against MP3 to be similar to what mine would be...which includes most of the hands I'd openraise with from the Button. If I'm right on that, then combined with MP3's raising range, there's a pretty fair chance that I already have the best hand. Or that either I or MP3 will provide enough pressure on the flop to get Button out with a small pp or slightly better ace.

[foureightsuited]

Its a good line up to try this resteal against, b/c you know the button knows that mp3 is terrible and could pop it will all kinds of hands. I dont like that you are OOP against these two though. To some extent I guess you could have mp3 helping you with shutting out the button on the flop. However as your read describes, that means he has at least a pair, so lets hope you flop one. Obv situation gets complicated post flop against 2 agros OOP, not sure if you planned on posting the rest of the hand, but im interested in seeing how it played out.

[James.]

based on your image and some other stuff i really, really like this.

[justJeff]

I don't like this, seeing the flop is costing you too much. Using SSHE thinking, all you have is one big card with a poor kicker, and no suitedness, no connectedness. Again, according to SSHE strategy, even if you had A8s it would at best be a call with no raises in front of you. Given the table condtions though I could see a call if it hadn't been raised in front of you. At most I don't think you want to pay more than 2 bets to see the flop.

[Man of Means]

Relative and absolute position problems.

How do you plan to get it heads-up with MP3? You have to 1) catch a piece of the board to bet and 2) hope MP3 also caught a [worse] piece and raises...and 3) button has absolutely nothing

[foureightsuited]

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Using SSHE thinking

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this hand/poster/situation is way past that