ATs flop and turn questions

[Guido]

Hi all,

Thansk for all the replies so far. I had A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] as most of you figured out.

I think there are some different ways to play this hand preflop. The amount of my raise is most of the time around 65. Sometimes 70 sometimes 60. This time it was 60.

Calling preflop is defenately an option but I probably raised because he had raised a few times in a row and wasn't buying it anymore.

A lot of you said that you would push the flop. I don't really see what that accomplices. A better hand except AJ or maybe AQ isn't going to fold so why go all in? I don't really mind a 2-5 outer chasing with horrible pot odds, so why force him out? On the other hand it makes the hand easy to play [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img], no more tough turn decisions. I do think the flop call was the best play up to this point. At least nobody has convinced me that pushing is better.

What about checking the flop?

Thanks,

Guido

[soah]

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Calling preflop is defenately an option but I probably raised because he had raised a few times in a row and wasn't buying it anymore.

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This is just about the worst imaginable reason to reraise pf unless you are pretty certain they are raising because they are on tilt.

Pushing the flop is almost LOLish becuase if he folds then you had him [censored] crushed and if he has something worse worthy of calling your push then what's the problem with letting him bet it on the turn for you.

On the turn it's probably -EV to call but since you have nut outs it can't be too huge of a mistake and in reality I tend to err on the side of calling with hands that have redraws even if I suspect it might be a mistake...

[soah]

Knowing his flop action (in conjunction with the pf action) in his 76o hand and other similar hands would really help in creating a guess at his range for this hand.

[axioma]

yup, shoving this flop is what people do with this hand when they either cant or wont take the time to actually think about it.

i suppose calling the turn cant be toooooo horrible but i think its a fairly easy fold though.

[soah]

I didn't realize this was full ring at first and while I have no idea what 3/6 full at party plays like, I'm going to assume that it makes it less likely for him to be getting out of line (semibluffing/bluffing) and barring further info I find it hard to justify a turn call.

[Guido]

As far as the 67o hand he limped and I raised about the pot and he called preflop. The flop went check, bet, call. Normally I bet about 2/3 to 4/5 on the flop. I don't know the exact amount from this time. On the turn I bet certainly 1/2 the pot but I don't know how much exactly and he want all-in.

Thanks,

Guido

[Guido]

It's not full ring, the handconverter messed up and I changed a few things, forgot this one. It's a 6 max table.

Thanks,

Guido

[Guido]

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This is just about the worst imaginable reason to reraise pf unless you are pretty certain they are raising because they are on tilt.

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Why is that? You only look at his stats and say: Well his PFR is x and I'm gonna 3-bet him when I get ATs or 66? I think looking at someones table image is very important as well as your own of course. When I see someone raise a lot of hands in a row and I get a decent hand and I have position, I start re-raising him more. I don't think that's bad poker at all. Just looking at someones stats after x hands isn't good poker, at least you can do better than just that I think.

Thanks,

Guido

[yvesaint]

i dont think its a bad idea to check this flop at all in fact thinking about it id prob check the flop often

[Guido]

Does it matter to you that I 3-bet preflop?

Thanks,

Guido