Need a checkup, KK on sort of ugly flop

WutRUTryin2Hit · #1 11-20-2006, 09:17 PM

I find myself in this spot a lot, and I just want a checkup on whether I have a major hole here:

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saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($100)
MP3 ($76.55)
CO ($69.70)
Button ($59.50)
SB ($44.10)
BB ($102)
UTG ($89)
UTG+1 ($142.20)
MP1 ($20.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $17, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls $13.

Flop: ($35.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $26, UTG+1 raises to $115.5,

So I have about $50 left here, what should I do here? I have no reads on this villain, but I've been in similar situations a fair bit lately, so just imagine the villian is the average stars .5-1NL player maybe.

DCWildcat · #2 11-20-2006, 09:23 PM

That's a very hefty raise PF. You'll still be a little deeper preflop if you don't go so heavy there.

Readless, I guess you have to fold. I don't know.

WutRUTryin2Hit · #3 11-20-2006, 09:25 PM

I know, I'm not really sure why I hit it that hard, I think this was a table where everytime I raised smaller, I got 4 callers, and I've had horrible luck with KK in early position lately, so maybe that made me overbet it. I do try to really mix up my raises sometimes regardless, and overbet now and again with either big hands or just stupid hands. I kind of feel like one day someone will notice me overbetting 78 preflop and give me action later, but doesn't happen much at these stakes haha.

Dan Bitel · #4 11-20-2006, 09:36 PM

instacall

4_2_it · #5 11-20-2006, 09:40 PM

I'm not folding here.

Mr_Donktastic · #6 11-20-2006, 09:44 PM

You can't fold, although you are basically hoping he has QQ instead of JJ.

dd323 · #7 11-20-2006, 09:50 PM

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That's a very hefty raise PF. You'll still be a little deeper preflop if you don't go so heavy there.

Readless, I guess you have to fold. I don't know.

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Why would you want to be deeper with an overpair?

Oh, and instacall..

dd323 · #8 11-20-2006, 09:51 PM

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I know, I'm not really sure why I hit it that hard, I think this was a table where everytime I raised smaller, I got 4 callers, and I've had horrible luck with KK in early position lately, so maybe that made me overbet it. I do try to really mix up my raises sometimes regardless, and overbet now and again with either big hands or just stupid hands. I kind of feel like one day someone will notice me overbetting 78 preflop and give me action later, but doesn't happen much at these stakes haha.

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Sounds like you know exactly why you bet that big.. and it worked. That was not a problem with this hand..

DaveRockNo20 · #9 11-20-2006, 09:54 PM

Your reraise preflop look like perfect to me.

On flop, its not a so easy fold. The pot is pretty big and you only have to win 36% of the time to be Ev+.

The problem is that you dont have a real read on your opponent and without that its very hard to determine where you really stand.

If vilain is tight and a little bit aggresive¸ his likely holding is 88 99 JJ QQ KK AA TT. We lose against about 3/4 of these hands so its a fold.

Against a more loose aggressive opponent its not that clear. I think we could add some hands like combo pair+draw, or flush and straight draws, but we still loosing against a lot of hands and get outdrawed often. A call against a lag look like to be almost ev neutral and maybe a little bit ev+, but I guess its a situation where a call or a fold is ok.

Without read its a fold.

joe234321 · #10 11-20-2006, 10:03 PM

Why would anyone complain that your raise PF was too big? It got called and you had pocket kings.