Kid gets tasered in UCLA library...for no reason

[dknightx]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
The university owns the library and they make policies about who can enter. Student can enter of course, provided they abide by the policies, which he was not. The second he is asked to leave by the library officials and refusing he is trespassing. Did he expect the library to make an exception for him, "Na you don't need id, that's just a policy for everyone else"

[/ QUOTE ]

He did leave within 5 minutes of being asked. In fact, he was on his way out when the real police came.

I mean come on, they can't make a small exception during midterms when it was probably obvious that he's a student? You're typing up a research paper and are finishing up a thought/idea ..or you found a really good source to help you but want to save some of it's contents.. you quit RIGHT THEN and there when the library staff ask you to leave? Come on.


[/ QUOTE ]

oh come on... thats your argument? you clearly do not understand what I am saying. So WHAT if he was leaving? The cops have every right to question him and stop him from running out. They have no idea if he is a student or not. And using your brilliant deduction skills, how are they suppose to know he is a student if he as already packed up everything and on is way out?

as for the library staff asking him to leave, thats a completely different topic. When he refused MULTIPLE TIMES (its not like he was making an effort to leave, he just plain REFUSED), they called the cops, THATS when he started making an effort to leave, but by then, it was too late. If he gave the library enough time to warn him multiple times, call the cops, and have the cops arrive, he is an idiot.

[hobbes9324]

As far as older....well, yeah.
See, you're designed with a [censored] capacity meter, and as you get older, it's trigger gets lower and lower.
Check back in 20 years. You'll be complaining they didn't shoot the idiot.....

MM MD

[dknightx]

[ QUOTE ]

[ QUOTE ]

secondly, its not the cops job to try to determine if he really is a student or not, they already gave him that oppurtunity (student ID). At that point, asking him to stand up doesn't seem like an infringement on his rights.

[/ QUOTE ]

He was on his way out. The cops basically stopped him and grabbed him. Do they have reasonable suspicion that a crime has taken place? (trespassing argument is weak, he was obviously a student and on his way out) .. I really don't know how many times I can point this out.

[/ QUOTE ]

i dont even know why im wasting my time ... look, if a cop is called to a scene (6 cops actually), they are going to try to figure out what happened, and not let the guy just WALK OUT. "Do they have reasonable suspicion that a crime has taken place?" uh yes, why else would they have been called to the library?

[NozeCandy]

[ QUOTE ]
Reef:

Don't bother with all this 'common sense' and 'rational thinking' - when you don't do what the police say, they have every right to do whatever they want to you. There's a reason why police are given the rights they are - they were the most intelligent students in school, and moreover have incredible benevolence towards all mankind.

[/ QUOTE ]
A. Kid was told by the student police-ish force to leave due to lack of ID. This is a school policy which is well-known and well-enforced. Nobody in the library would be surprised they were checking for ID's. He didn't leave.
B. Cops were called, then kid tried to leave.
C. Cops rightfully tried to keep him there for questions, he refused and absolutely flipped out.
D. Cops used a taser, which wasn't even set on its highest setting, to control a non-compliant, verbally abusive person.
E. Cops instructed OVER AND OVER for him to stand up or he would be tasered again. Douchebag was too busy yelling about the Patriot Act and basically trying to incite a riot to stand up.
F. Surprise surprise, he gets tasered again when he doesn't do as instructed.
G. Douchebag UCLA students demand badge numbers, which they were actually given after the incident, because they are stupid and don't know what is going on. All they hear is screaming.
H. People watch an unclear Youtube video and say OMG POLICE TASERING ABUSE OF POWER AHHHH FIRE THEM DEPORT THEM AHHHHH. Shut up.

Interesting side note, the "victim's" facebook profile had a quote saying "I like to find the most difficult solutions to easy problems." He is a douchebag who was flaunting the student police force to feel badass then tried to run once real cops were called in. The kid is a bitch, and he broke the law. What can happen to non-compliant bitches who look for trouble and break the law? What can happen to any non-compliant person who breaks the law? They can get [censored] tasered, and it is perfectly within the rights of the police to do so.

[Daddy Warbucks]

How's about how many times you can point it out when your information is false? Firstly, he was asked to leave by CSO's to present his card. He actually HAD his card on him, and refused. At this point, they have due cause to believe he's a trespasser. Then, he refuses to leave for 10 minutes, until he sees the actual cops show up, then tries to make a break for it. The cops try to stop him, and the rest ensues.

And just because he's in there working on a paper doesn't make him a student there. He could be a student from anywhere(seen as i assume UCLA has superior facilities to a lot of places), in which case both the CSO's and cops are well within their rights to ask him to leave, seen as he refuses to prove otherwise, even though he has the means and the opportunity.

[Zire]

bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

[Reef]

[ QUOTE ]
Stop thinking that refusing to listen to authority (when they are right) makes you cool.

[/ QUOTE ]

highly doubt the kid was "trying to be cool". If you think I am defending the kid because I think "it's cool" to defy authority - you're way off.

The main point is excessive force / police brutality

---
I've had 2 semesters of CrimJ, and while this does not make me an expert by any means, I have had to study this subject.

[nath]

It seems to me that a lot of the people who think this was totally justifiable are operating under the assumption that cops tasering someone in a situation like this is a totally reasonable and justifiable response, and then working from there to show why the kid deserved it.

[Reef]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

[ QUOTE ]

secondly, its not the cops job to try to determine if he really is a student or not, they already gave him that oppurtunity (student ID). At that point, asking him to stand up doesn't seem like an infringement on his rights.

[/ QUOTE ]

He was on his way out. The cops basically stopped him and grabbed him. Do they have reasonable suspicion that a crime has taken place? (trespassing argument is weak, he was obviously a student and on his way out) .. I really don't know how many times I can point this out.

[/ QUOTE ]

i dont even know why im wasting my time ... look, if a cop is called to a scene (6 cops actually), they are going to try to figure out what happened, and not let the guy just WALK OUT. "Do they have reasonable suspicion that a crime has taken place?" uh yes, why else would they have been called to the library?

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL @ needing 6 cops

because a non-white was trying to use the computers for terrorism!

--
sure, they can ask him questions. He doesn't have to say anything. They gonna arrest him?

[Triumph36]

You got it, nath.

These are the same kind of people who say 'They got on the trains - they deserved it!'