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Old 02-03-2006, 07:41 AM
Spy Dog Spy Dog is offline
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Is this standard?

Villian is 30/0/.5 over 30 hands.

Sorry, but I normally play limit and figured I'd give a multi-tourny a shot, so if this post sucks let me know and lock it.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

Button (t1105)
SB (t2040)
BB (t1815)
UTG (t2075)
UTG+1 (t3225)
UTG+2 (t1415)
MP1 (t1125)
MP2 (t630)
MP3 (t1110)
Hero (t795)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t30, MP2 calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t180) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets t100</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls t100, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: (t380) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets t100</font>, Hero calls [t665]......
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Old 02-03-2006, 07:45 AM
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Default Re: 87s

I think it's fine but you get looked up by a lot of pairs, especially if this is a small buy in tournament. You're 2-1 to win no matter what, and with folding equity I can't imagine this being a -EV push.
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Old 02-03-2006, 09:39 AM
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Default Re: 87s

[ QUOTE ]
Is this standard?

Villian is 30/0/.5 over 30 hands.

Sorry, but I normally play limit and figured I'd give a multi-tourny a shot, so if this post sucks let me know and lock it.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

Button (t1105)
SB (t2040)
BB (t1815)
UTG (t2075)
UTG+1 (t3225)
UTG+2 (t1415)
MP1 (t1125)
MP2 (t630)
MP3 (t1110)
Hero (t795)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t30, MP2 calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t180) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets t100</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls t100, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: (t380) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets t100</font>, Hero calls [t665]......

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you CALLED on the turn? or pushed?
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Old 02-03-2006, 10:50 AM
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Default Re: 87s

I pushed.
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Old 02-03-2006, 11:01 AM
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Default Re: 87s

i like the push while you still have some FE.
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Old 02-03-2006, 11:11 AM
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Default Re: 87s

The push might get you some fold opportunities, but any pair makes you a 2-1 dog. You'd be putting in 100 to win 480.

By the stacks, I'm guessing you're not too far into the tournament, and even though you're down to 665 (I'm guessing of 1500), you still have some room for play if you muck.

You have pot odds to call 100 (to win 480), and still have 565, with a little room for play if you miss. If you hit, great.
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Old 02-03-2006, 11:37 AM
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Default Re: 87s

Way too passive here. Make a move at this pot on either the flop or turn. Calling off your chis to hit a draw is suicide. You give yourself one chance to win and that is if you hit your hand. You have a big enough draw, atlest after the turn to be raising this up. Plus the UTG+1 made the same raise on the flop as he did on the turn. Looks to me like he's slowing up a little. Take advantage of that. You probably can push him off his hand.
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Old 02-03-2006, 12:04 PM
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Way too passive here. Make a move at this pot on either the flop or turn. Calling off your chis to hit a draw is suicide. You give yourself one chance to win and that is if you hit your hand. You have a big enough draw, atlest after the turn to be raising this up. Plus the UTG+1 made the same raise on the flop as he did on the turn. Looks to me like he's slowing up a little. Take advantage of that. You probably can push him off his hand.

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too passive? he pushed

you give yourself more than one chance to win with the push (other than hitting the draw). villain can fold, and as you stated it appears villain is losing confidence in his hand (as represented by his betting)
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Old 02-03-2006, 12:31 PM
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Default Re: 87s

IMO I think the push is fine and you have FE but as Ansky said expect to get called by guys with like Kx and A6 and be behind - pot odds to call for villain are like ~2-1 to call
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Old 02-03-2006, 03:13 PM
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Default Re: 87s

The post says he calls.
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