How would you handle AA here on the flop on button?

[Haplo]

I had a bad feeling I was beat when dude went all-in (no info on limper). It was 14 more to call and about 36 in pot. Felt committed.

Would a pre-flop raise to say 5xbb have been better from button given there was already one limper? What do some of you typically do with that hand in that position?

Comment appreciated. Thanks.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $24.10
UTG+1: $20.80
MP1: $10
MP2: $57.45
MP3: $19.05
Hero: $27.35
Button: $15
SB: $57.10
BB: $25

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 4 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1</font>, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($3.25, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $1.75</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $9</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises all-in $23.1</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($51.2, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $51.2)


River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($51.2, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $51.2)


Results:
Final pot: $51.2

KEEP RESULTS OUT

-EMc

[jonyy6788]

I would have raised to 1.25, this is an ugly flop to be all-in with.

[jdefoe]

raise to 5 on the flop, and when he puts u all in , fold

[CrustyFace]

Raise more preflop, 4xBB + a BB for each limper, to $1.5.

Don't forget here that his reraise all-in on the flop is not indicative of a straight, there are all sorts of hands that have you beat here. The flopped straight makes it seem worse but in fact you played it badly by not considering his AI for something weaker than the straight.

[Fazz86]

Raise to at least 1.50 PF. Fold after he pushes.

[orange]

Call the all in. You'll see AK/diamonds/etc alot.

[Oranzith]

man tough, results oriented crowd.

Raising to 5 is like a minraise. He bet the pot which was good. I don't know how we fold to the push, I expect to see combo-draws quite often. Maybe its the right plan, I dunno. Depends how often the villain likely pushes with 2 pair or a set

[iraise50]

I raise more preflop, and...I dunno I guess I get stacked but I put him on a draw often enough to call the flop push.

[Vern]

I at least pot it pre-flop, but that is only $0.10 more. I don't think that makes a difference, likely neither would $1.50. If you play tight/aggressive, you need to make all your raises the same so you cannot go harder because you have AA or you will get chewed up with your lesser raises.

As played, I raise pot on the flop with an over pair, so $8.50 to your 9. Again, I like to stay consistent with my psb's. When he pushes I would tank. What percent of the time does he have to have a draw to make it correct to call.

Assumptions, he either has a straight (1) or he has a two card flush draw(2). I Ignored 99, TT, KK because I think the average player would raise these UTG although it is possible for 99 to limp. I also ignored the straight draw because I don’t think it is likely a straight draw does this on a 2 flush board unless they also have the flush draw and are therefore covered under (2) above.

In 1, you win ~7.5% of the time so your EV is
Win%*Pot-Lose%Call$
(0.075*35.35)-(0.925*15.85)=-$12.01=EV1 the EV when he has the straight

In 2, you win 60% of the time so your EV is
(0.60*35.35)-(0.925*15.85)=+$14.87=EV2 the EV when he is on a draw

So where is your break even point? X is the chance he is on a draw

((1-X)*EV1)+(X*EV2)=0

Solve for X

EV1-(X*EV1)+(X*EV2)=0
(X*EV2)-(X*EV1)=-EV1
X*(EV2-EV1)=-EV1
X=-EV1/(EV2-EV1)
X=EV1/(EV1-EV2)
X=-12.01/(-12.01-14.87)
X=-12.01/-26.88=45% on a draw

So if you think the normal player could do this 45%+ with a flush draw, you have to call. Generally I don’t credit lower flush draws with playing this way. We have the ace, so we have to decide how often the Qx[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] would do this, with the extreme being the QT[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] for the 2 card second nut flush draw, middle pair and gutshot straight draw. That hand is actually a favorite to you as well, 53:47 for an X of -12.01/-20.22=60% if you determine the only likely hands to play this are a two card diamond draw with the Queen (second nut flush) and a pair (Tens).

Without the time to do all that math, I did figure the chance I need himed to be doing this on a draw at about 50% which the math seems to support between any two card diamond draw (45%) and just the QT[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] draw (60%)

I wish you had stopped the post after his three bet on the flop. I think I would evaluate that I am behind and drawing to ~2 outs and fold without a better read. I cannot say that with confidence because I know he had the straight and you were drawing to your backdoor flush and straight which were your ~2 outs.

[Sir Winalot]

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raise to 5 on the flop, and when he puts u all in , fold

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woot?!? No way I'm folding on this drawy flop.