A note on the new sticky Hypocrisy

[kidcolin]

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That makes sense. I think CaptainBusto summed it up nicely with what's a joke and what's blatant racism. T-God claims we all know what the line is and no one is offended, but how can I (or you, actually) say that?

Really.. all I ask is that I can say "nigga plz" from time to time.

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honestly, that stuff is fine; the problem is that 95% of BBV is not funny and when they see teh cool kids doing something they do it too except take the funny out. It's like watching a white kid imitate Dave Chapelle.

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HEY MAN.. FU*K YORE COWWWCH, DUDE.

[Spechel EDD]

im a racist against the cylon race, can i still be allowed to call them [censored]?

please reply

[T-God]

Crossposted from the limerick thread because it's relevant and will probably help move the discussion:

There once was a great mod named gildwulf
Who if he were a lady would be a real milf
But one day he said
All racism must end
And now we're stuck without jokes about adolf

Mr. Ryan Beal (Mr. Real? consider it):
I know it's not a new policy, but it is about to be enforced to an extent that it wasn't before, so it might as well be a new rule. I think that's why people are surprised or upset by it.

[dlorc]

FIRST YOU GET THE POWER, THEN YOU GET THE CRAZY.
CAPSLOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL TO COOL.

[brazilio]

LIMERICKS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE OFFENSIVE GOOD SIR, JUST SAYING THAT OUT IN THE OPEN

[brazilio]

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FIRST YOU GET THE POWER, THEN YOU GET THE CRAZY.
CAPSLOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL TO COOL.

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YOU DISGUST ME, SHIFT IS ROKKEN LIKE DOKKEN. CAPSLOCK IS FOR RETARDS AND MONKEYS THAT CAN'T BREATHE AND EAT PICKLED EGGS AT THE SAME TIME.

[captZEEbo]

making specific blanket anti-racism policy is so absurd. Why don't we make blanket statements that you can't say anything derogatory about women, children, old people, bad poker players, basically there is a prejudice to EVERYTHING in the world. People said in THIS thread "this new policy is retarded; how is that any less offensive than a racist joke? Racism is a part of common vernacular and to take it away is absurd (whether it be intended racism, unintended racism (like indian-giver for lack of better example) or racism that makes fun of racists. If El Diablo, for example, made the ocassional racist comment, I don't think anyone would care. They might think he is an idiot for being racist, but he'd add a lot to the forum in other ways that merely banning people that make a flippant remark about racism seems very silly.

If you want to make 2+2 completely inoffensive; go ahead, but just tackling one random issue seems absurd and a complete waste of time. I don't mind a blanket statement where we don't allow pointless flaming against individuals, but who cares what one person thinks about a subgroup of people?

[mason55]

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wtf ever. this is retarded.

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ban plz. my sister is mentally challenged and this post offends me deeply.

[mason55]

ALSO:

Please PLEASE explain why "nigga please" or even "knee grow please" or anything else like that is ok (it's been posted several times in this thread).

[AlienBoy]

FWIW I was formerly a columnist on civil liberties for the New York Times online magazine, About.com

Racism and cultural-centrism are often confused. One is absurdly unsupported and represents nothing but bigotry and hatred, the other is justified in many ways.

Racism relates specifically to one's DNA. It is a form of prejudice that is based only on heredity, and not a person's world view or cultural outlook. We know that *any* human can be a part of *any* culture - it's the nurture part of the nature/nurture equation.

As such, a prejudice based on something such as DNA - which fails to take into account a person's actions, beliefs, and attitudes - is pure ignorance, and everything we can do to eliminate racism at this level is important for a strong healthy society.

Cultural-centrism is altogether a different issue. It is far more subtle, more complex, and not subject to the same black and white delineation of mere racism.

To reductio ad absurdum, in New Guinea there are cultures that go around murdering each other all day. Constantly at war, they fight and kill - and this is their culture, their lifestyle. In many parts of Africa, rape is NOT illegal. If a woman is dressed in clothes that are no more revealing than what a typical American woman might wear on a summer day, that woman can be raped legally. While some nations such as Kenya and Ethiopia have officially adopted international laws regarding violence against women, the underlying culture has not - with the justice system ignoring pleas for justice, at most slapping the wrists of rapists.


These are two extreme example, to be sure, but they allow us to ask this question:


Do we as a society accept and integrate these CULTURES into ours?

I believe for most reasonable people, the answer is simply no. These cultures have no more place in our present day culture than do nazis.


In another point, many that speak out against Zionist extremism are labeled anti-Semitic. However, it should be possible to comment negatively on a particular world view of a particular subculture without being labeled a racist.

Opposing the worldview and actions of Zionists does not make you anti-Semitic; though it may make you anti-Zionist.

Similarly, being anti-Nazi does not make you anti-Aryan.

Anti-Nazi is cultural-centrism. Anti-Aryan is racism.



As noted above, racism is simply ignorance; but cultural centrism is central to the way we plan and live our lives. We then get to the complex and difficult part of "drawing lines" - acceptable vs. unacceptable;

This part of the equation is deep and without clear resolution. But I bring this up because the new sticky states that there shall be no "racist/anti-semitic/prejudice posting".


We've defined racism above as negative views based on one's DNA.

anti-Semitic comments apply to negative comments of those of jewish decent or culture.

And then the proscription against "prejudice" - which is quite broad.


A useful article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice


Prejudice applies to so many things, and is so open to interpretation that it is sometimes difficult to determine the level of prejudice within the comment.

In context, one might assume that Gildwolf means specifically "racial prejudice", which is easier described simply as racism; but in the context of my post here, he could mean culturally centric prejudice, and as such his sticky is vague.

For example, If I were to say "It seems that Asian ladies make alot of straights on the river" - is that prejudice?

No - in fact it is postjudice, as it is a comment on an observable condition of certain past events.


As a suggestion, I think the wording of the sticky could be altered slightly, to this suggestion:

"racism and derogatory racial comments will not be tolerated in this forum, and any such poster shall be banned".


Cheers,

AB