Simple KK 4-betting Question

[Dave I]

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though if UTG comes along, then the chances of an A flopping are greatly diminished

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could you please elaborate. i do not understand this what so ever.

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I believe his reasoning is because it is more likely that both have one.

[Dave I]

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By calling, we invite UTG along....is that not an issue?

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I don't mind unless he a tricky, trappy player such as yourself [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[matrix]

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though if UTG comes along, then the chances of an A flopping are greatly diminished

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could you please elaborate. i do not understand this what so ever.

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AIUI if UTG tags along it's quite likely he holds an Ace and so there is less chance that an Ace hits the flop if there are only 3 left in the deck.

[Dan Bitel]

I either make a PSR 4bet or 4bet shove (if he 3bets at all light)

[ajmargarine]

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I either make a PSR 4bet or 4bet shove (if he 3bets at all light)

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Yeah, I did the PSR. I think pushing and calling is better than that in hindsight. At least I hit my draw. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $116.70
CO: $100
Button: $229.35
Hero: $118.65
BB: $71.75

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $10</font>, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $34.5</font>, 2 folds, CO calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($73.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero is all-in $84.15</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO calls all-in $65.5</font>.
Uncalled bets: $18.65 returned to Hero.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($204.5, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $204.5)


River: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($204.5, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $204.5)


Results:
Final pot: $204.5
<font color="#ffffff">CO showed Ah As</font>
<font color="#ffffff">Hero showed Kh Kc</font>

[bobman0330]

don't get fancy OOP, just 4bet.

[mudbuddha]

looks good
pretty standard flop to get stacked by AA on

[Dan Bitel]

pushing and PSR all depend on how you plan to play other hands you're going to 4bet with and how light you think he looks you up

[jjberns]

That turn was just sick [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[Novles]

If you flatcall preflop, utg is NEVER folding closing the action getting almost 4:1 immediate odds. I don't know where this "if utg comes along, it's less likely that an ace will flop" thinking started, but... seriously.