Did Mike M made a mistake with the Kings? (WSOP spoiler) - Page 3

recondite7 · #21 11-16-2005, 02:40 PM

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A player like Matasow should be able to fold KK if he can make the right read? Why? Because Mike M. doesn't need big cards to accumulate chips. If you got game like that, it should be easier to let a big hand go.

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He's not going to laydown KK it's ridiculous to do this when opponents are moving all in with many other inferior hands. Mike Matusow is not that much of a superior player to pass up opportunities such as this.

MinRaise · #22 11-16-2005, 02:48 PM

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A player like Matasow should be able to fold KK if he can make the right read? Why? Because Mike M. doesn't need big cards to accumulate chips. If you got game like that, it should be easier to let a big hand go.

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The problem with this statement is that the reason Matusow can win pots without cards, is the fear of him having cards. If he is going to find a way to lay down KK here, his style goes up in smoke. The outcome of this hand was decided as soon of the cards were dealt. People on this forum are so results-oriented it is sickening sometimes.

Toro · #23 11-16-2005, 03:15 PM

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People on this forum are so results-oriented it is sickening sometimes.

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A tablespoon of Milkamagnesia and you'll be fine.

TheBlueMonster · #24 11-16-2005, 03:28 PM

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I see that he has aces and look for anything that gives off strength. What is wrong with that? I feel that it will allow me to improve upon my hand reading skills away from the table.

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watching TV is not a good way to improve your poker skills. If this were true Celebrity Poker Showdown would be a goldmine of information since Phil GOrdon analyzes every hand

RussianBear · #25 11-16-2005, 03:30 PM

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Didn't Doyle say the day he lays down KK pre flop is the day he stops playing poker??

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"The day I lay down 7-2 offsuit pre-flop is the day I stop playing poker" Russian Bear

TheBlueMonster · #26 11-16-2005, 03:33 PM

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no no no....
After a raise and reraise, you don't smooth call with Kings! This isn't early in an online tourny where people can't get off top pair. THis is the final table of the World Series where chip accumulation is critical. Mike smooth calls and Dannenmen calls also. With KK you isolate, you don't try to get cute.

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Thank you.

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quite welcome

Jaksiel · #27 11-16-2005, 03:33 PM

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Didn't Doyle say the day he lays down KK pre flop is the day he stops playing poker??

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I think it was Harrington that said something like that in one of the HOH books.

Kaeser · #28 11-16-2005, 05:24 PM

To clarify the Doyle thing, he has laid down KK before. He talks about it in SS2, it was the first day of a large buy-in tournament and he had KK in late position with 70K chips. An early player raised and a guy with 50K made a large re-raise, Doyle folded.

swarm · #29 11-16-2005, 06:35 PM

Wow, Hardly any decent analysis in this entire thread. Remember that Lazar/Danneman were each 2 of the 3 smallest stacks heading into the final table so they need to get chips. Too suggest that Mike should have gotten away is ludicrous.

Lazar had just over 3mill in chips before the hand, mike had 7.5 mil. There is 250,000 g's in the pot before play even starts. Danneman makes a standard raise and Lazar raises it up to a million which is a pretty standard play. He only has 2.5 mil left behind. There is no way to put him on AA here, he could be isolating with QQ/JJ or AK. If Mike were to just call Lazar would only have a pot sized bet left so he is getting it all in anyway. Everyone is going to push with KK here preflop when you have twice the stack of your opponnent.

Rottersod · #30 11-16-2005, 06:44 PM

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I did notice the weak means strong tells from Lazar. He frowned and then said "I raise" in such a lazy, almost apologetic tone.

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another fundamental mistake of TV poker viewers: the obvious tell. You have no information except a section in Caro's book and a 2 second tv clip. There is no way for you to determine what a tell is or isn't.

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Exactly. They edit this so heavily so there's no way you can see if a closeup is really from that hand. Another thing to remember is that even if MM did pick up a tell on SL there was only one hand that could beat him and even if it did beat him he still had plenty of chips after that. Going all in was the right play at that moment.