Hypothetical Heads Up Gambling Situation

[derosnec]

55+,ATo+,A8s+,KQs is top 10%, according to SNGPT

[roommate]

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What does "top 10%" of hands mean to you all?

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22+, A2+ K2+ and 69s, T2o and of course Q5.

More or less

~rob

[Nichomacheo]

Great. Still, what does that mean?

[jay_shark]

The most important thing is that your shoving range changes each time you don't hit your desired shoving range .

Any hand included in the top x % of hands should be played .

http://home.earthlink.net/~forrestmo...l#Wild%20Cards

This ranks the order of all the hands which can be helpful .

[thechainsaw]

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Great. Still, what does that mean?

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see harrington's book, he lists the top 10%

A8s and above

[thechainsaw]

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I'm liking jay's logic...

I know nicho's "twist" (I am his roommate) and I'm really excited to see how your answers change... But he has forbade me from twisting it myself... so for now I'm patient.

I like to work backwards myself...
on the 10th hand- I'll play 100% (OBV)
on the 9th- top 50%
on the 8th- top 1/3

~rob

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i can see why the top half, but why the top 1/3rd? i would say the top 37.5%

[jay_shark]

Rob changed his answer after . It was a little tricky for him .


As for the proper definition of the top 10 % of all hands .
Since there are 1326 different hand combinations , then you should select the top 1326*0.1 = 132.6 hands but you must choose the top 132 hands . The 133rd hand is not included in the top 10 % and so you can do slightly better by folding it .

[thechainsaw]

Here are my figures - make it that you should get a hand rougly in the top 14% in 10 goes

Trials Fold Shove Fold EV Shove ev %median
1 0 1 0 0.5 0.5
2 0.5 0.5 0.25 0.38 0.63
3 0.63 0.38 0.39 0.3 0.7
4 0.7 0.3 0.48 0.26 0.74
5 0.74 0.26 0.55 0.22 0.78
6 0.78 0.22 0.6 0.2 0.8
7 0.8 0.2 0.64 0.18 0.82
8 0.82 0.18 0.67 0.16 0.84
9 0.84 0.16 0.7 0.15 0.85
10 0.85 0.15 0.72 0.14 0.86

[roommate]

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Rob changed his answer after . It was a little tricky for him .

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Jay... I was just showing my thought process for those viewers who might not know how to approach this problem... this was a problem solving lesson...

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[Nichomacheo]

My answer --

This was doing using the numbers from the page that Jay posted. I arranged these in Excel by win percentage, then grouped them by what hand you should call on.

Hand 1 - Top 9th - A9s+, AJo+, 66+, KQs
Hand 2 - Top 8th - A8s+, ATo+, 66+, KJs+
Hand 3 - Top 7th - A7s+, ATo+, 66+, KTs+, KQo
Hand 4 - Top 6th - A7s+, A9o+, 55+, KTs+, QJs, KJo+
Hand 5 - Top 5th - A5s+, A8o+, 55+, K9s+, QJs, KTo+
Hand 6 - Top 4th - A3s+, A5o+, 55+, K8s+, QTs+, K9o+, QJo
Hand 7 - Top 3rd - A2s+, A3o+, 44+, K5s+, Q8s+, K8o+, Q9o+, J9o+
Hand 8 - Top Half - A2s+, A2o+, 33+, K2s+, K3o+, Q3s+, Q6o+, J7s+, J8o+, T7s+, T8s+, T9, 98s+
Hand 9 - Same

PM me for Excel chart.

Thoughts?