880bb pot at 100nl - i know i got the $$, but advice

[JustPlayingSmart]

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keep in mind i want his whole stack, not 1/4 of it

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Apparently not, or you wouldn't have tried to get in 6x pot on one street.

[loveminuszero]

reference: john murphy (might have butchered his name, it's been a while since i watched the video) vs Josh Arieh, WSOP 2004.
had murphy checked, he would have probably stacked arieh. check-raise>lead

[Dan Bitel]

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reference: john murphy (might have butchered his name, it's been a while since i watched the video) vs Josh Arieh, WSOP 2004.
had murphy checked, he would have probably stacked arieh. check-raise>lead

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what are the details of the hand?

[Dan Bitel]

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keep in mind i want his whole stack, not 1/4 of it

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unless he's super retarded, you're never getting his whole stack, esp not with a C/R (he should be folding 33 to a river c/r like always).

And its not about getting his stack, its about maximising your EV

[Lego05]

Don't remember exactly but Murphy had a set and was playing it somewhat passively. Arieh made a flush on the river. Murphy led with a big bet. Arieh thought for a pretty long time said something like I can't believe I'm folding this hand and then he folded.

That was a tournament though of course.

[loveminuszero]

murphy made a fullhouse and bet out big, arieh folded his flush, but in a case when you put your opponent on a draw that hits but also gives you a better hand, i prefer checking to him when you know he'll bet so you can raise compared to leading and maybe only getting that one bet. i dont think villain is EVEr checking behind hear except super-weak aces

[JustPlayingSmart]

I'm not sure of preflop action. Murphy flopped bottom set on a 2 heart board, Arieh had Kxhh. Murphy bet and Arieh called. Turn was a blank. Murphy bet and Arieh called. River was a heart but paired the board. Murphy moved in and Arieh folded.

[jimmyhat1000]

i realised i butchered the flop and turn but if somehow that could be forgotten(please, flop + turn play = horrible sin) and remembering the fact that this guy is the generic "table fish" i think check raising this river is the best way to maximise EV. against a TAG/solid regular/2+2er with a brain check raisinf prob never gets called but against a "table fish" is it not the right thing to do?

[Dan Bitel]

guys, tell me 1 hand that c/r river is better than leading it?

Aces (which make up like 50% of his range), obv leading is better. Giving ure turn c/r and what the river card is, he's checking behind every ace

Ditto any ten, and a ten is DEF not calling a river C/R

and if he has a flush/33, he either wants to get AI or not, so either he folds to our C/R or he raises our lead, you can't have it both ways. And either way, we either win about a PSB on the river or we win his stack, makes no difference

[SEABEAST]

I think a good flush in the hands of a donkey (which villain apparently is) pays off the CR for sure. I actually think the river CR is hot, but the rest of the hand is awful. I lead the flop like always.