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#21
10-23-2006, 09:19 PM
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Re: \"You\'ll win.\" (floor decision story)
I never say "you win" or "you'll win" - though I might say "I have nuthin' - just a pair of sevens" as I place my cards face up.
One time an 8 fell on the river giving me 2 pair, AA88, I stated only "I rivered the 8". As it happened on the board was a 6. My opponent mucked, somehow thinking I had a full house, mis-reading the board and my hand. She mucked AA for a set of aces, the winning hand. I know this because another player asked to see them. But since they touched the muck they were dead. AB 
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#22
10-24-2006, 01:19 AM
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Re: \"You\'ll win.\" (floor decision story)
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I never say "you win" or "you'll win" - though I might say "I have nuthin' - just a pair of sevens" as I place my cards face up. One time an 8 fell on the river giving me 2 pair, AA88, I stated only "I rivered the 8". As it happened on the board was a 6. My opponent mucked, somehow thinking I had a full house, mis-reading the board and my hand. She mucked AA for a set of aces, the winning hand. I know this because another player asked to see them. But since they touched the muck they were dead. AB [/ QUOTE ] So your opponent folded the nut full house? Or maybe quads? Seems slightly impossible unless in addition to misreading your hand and the board she also misread her own hand.
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#23
10-24-2006, 03:09 AM
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Re: \"You\'ll win.\" (floor decision story)
No, I didn't have a full house. I had A8. There was an A and an 8 on the board.
She had a set of aces, I had two pair, Aces and Eights. She misread MY hand and thought I had a boat. Funny, I've played her alot, and she's usually pretty good, ABC pretty asian chick. AB
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#25
10-24-2006, 04:41 AM
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Re: \"You\'ll win.\" (floor decision story)
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...and the opponent admitted he was just "trying to teach me a lesson" and didn't really want the pot... [/ QUOTE ] The lesson is that there are angleshooting scum everywhere and forgetting it can lead to ill consequences. Something tells me he would've taken the pot had it been the decision gone his way.
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#26
10-24-2006, 10:00 AM
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Re: \"You\'ll win.\" (floor decision story)
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The other player nows mucks his hand to make room fo rhte dealer to push him the pot. [/ QUOTE ] Then the other player isn't too bright, throwing to the muck while someone else still has cards. Rule #1 (well, okay, it's a Rule #2 in Robert's, but it should be #1) is to protect your interest at all times. For that matter, the dealer should always muck all remaining hands before pushing a pot in anybody's direction, but since you can't count on that, PROTECT YOUR HAND. Are you telling me it's impossible to put the dealer's tip on top of the cards and move them to the side in order to make room for this massive pot? Or simply remove your cards from under the newly-aquired pile of chips?
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#27
10-24-2006, 10:23 AM
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Re: \"You\'ll win.\" (floor decision story)
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[ QUOTE ] The other player nows mucks his hand to make room fo rhte dealer to push him the pot. [/ QUOTE ] Then the other player isn't too bright, throwing to the muck while someone else still has cards. Rule #1 (well, okay, it's a Rule #2 in Robert's, but it should be #1) is to protect your interest at all times. For that matter, the dealer should always muck all remaining hands before pushing a pot in anybody's direction, but since you can't count on that, PROTECT YOUR HAND. Are you telling me it's impossible to put the dealer's tip on top of the cards and move them to the side in order to make room for this massive pot? Or simply remove your cards from under the newly-aquired pile of chips? [/ QUOTE ] That's all true, but the general rule is if you concede the pot and they believe you they win the pot.
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#28
10-24-2006, 11:21 AM
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Re: \"You\'ll win.\" (floor decision story)
Saying "you win" to get an opponent to muck is a fairly common angle. Hence the sensitivity. Common sense suggests, however, that where the player isn't a known angleshooter, he should get the benefit of the doubt. And no one should muck without seeing a hand that beats them -- that is the best defense against many common angles (for example, saying "I have the flush" on a board with three diamonds, then opponent mucks, angleshooter turns up "flush" both red but one a heart "omigod, I really thought I had it. Too bad, you mucked so I get the pot")
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#29
10-24-2006, 12:01 PM
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Re: \"You\'ll win.\" (floor decision story)
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When a players says "you win" they are conseding the pot. The other player nows mucks his hand to make room fo rhte dealer to push him the pot. The is a related angle shot that I don't like at all, a player says you win, so his opponent turbo mucks to get his hand in the muck. [/ QUOTE ] I hate having to waste 5 to 10 minutes out of every hour at the table waiting for people to show their hands. The stupid post-action posturing is often out of control. ("What do you have? Can you beat a pair?" Or the guy who got called waiting to see if the other guy will show first. And so on). Call me an angle shooter, but I would happily pull that second stunt you mentioned, if it ever came up, because I'm sure it really would teach people a lesson -- when you've been called, cut the crap and turn your cards over (or it could even cost you the pot).
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#30
10-24-2006, 12:11 PM
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Re: \"You\'ll win.\" (floor decision story)
Another example of a clueless floorman.
After all action is complete, whatever you say makes no difference (with the sole exception of miscalling your hand to make the other guy muck). At that point, cards speak. You showed your cards and he mucked. You win. End of story. I'm amazed at all these slimy angleshoot stories I keep hearing. At the games I typically play in, I have a hard time picturing someone actually trying to pull stuff this brazen or shameless.
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