Looking for fellow anarchocapitalists.

[TomCollins]

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It's betterfor the survival of the species if we group together and penalise the strong to help the weak.

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This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard. You just claimed that success should be punished, and stupidity rewarded.


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So people are poor because they are stupid, not stupid because they are poor?

has anyone else noticed that anarcho-capitalist-libertarians are usually white males from middle-upper class families?

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I think the stereotype is more likely to consist of people who have had to work hard to get where they were.

Ususally the children of upper-class families turn into bleeding heart liberals due to their guilt of unearned money.

[pvn]

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If everyone gets to make their own rules, then how can there be any courts, any order?

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It's quite simple. Nobody gets to impose anything on or initiate force against anyone else.

Your implication that there can be no order without some overlord imposing it is scary. Do you believe cooperation is impossible without external coercion?

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How are problems solved except through violence?

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Violence causes problems. Our current system attempts to solve (and/or prevent) problems with violence, and the results are crappy. Disputes can be settled by private arbitrators.

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Here is a giant guess what will happen: A bunch of these people will get together and control the other people.

Why will this happen? The answer is human nature.

What is written above is called history .

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Yeah. Nothing can ever be different than it was in the past. Wow. If everyone thought like you do, we'd still be living in caves beating each other with clubs.

[pvn]

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So that got me thinking. In an AC utopia, is there anything to stop a parent from abusing their child? Since there wouldn't be any central authority, is that child doomed to a life of misery with little hope of freedom?

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First of all, AC does not claim to be utopian.

Children have the same rights to be free from aggression.

In state-dominated "utopia", what "stops" one from abusing their children? Obviously, the answer is "nothing", because child abuse happens despite the state.

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On a related note, what's to stop me from starting a new slave trade?

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Again, the same thing that would stop you in the state-dominated utopia. Nothing.

Of course, you'd still be liable for damages to the people you enslave.

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Also the whole role of a free-market judiciary confuses me. How is someone who aggresses against another made to pay for his crime? Where is he "tried"? Doesn't the fact that those seeking justice are also paying for a decision cause a big conflict of interest for the arbitrator? Even if there is a decision reached, how will it be enforced and by whom?

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Third-party, non-state arbitrators, paid for by the disputing parties, are currently used quite frequently in the US. Any arbitrator that merely issued judgements to the party willing to pay more would quickly lose any reputation, and their judgements would have zero value in the market.

On the flip side of that, reputable arbitrators will be able to issue judgements that carry a lot of weight with other reputable individuals and businesses. Most businesses will decline to do business with people that ignore reputable judgements. This means it will be difficult for such a person to move about (since roads will be privately owned) or trade with those that value their own reputations.

[Darryl_P]

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Most businesses will decline to do business with people that ignore reputable judgements.

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This is one of the most ridiculous assertions I have ever seen. I'm quite sure that at least 100 times I've done business with people who thought I was either a mafioso or a serial killer and there was never even a hint that this affected (negatively) their willingness to do business with me. If anything it made them more motivated to satisfy my wishes.

I really think you are completely clueless about human nature.

[Triumph36]

I'm going to go into the Sporting Events forum and claim that sports should not be played by anyone. When anyone gets hurt playing sports, I'll hop in the thread, 'See, this is why no one should play sports.' Whenever anyone gets annoyed at how their local team is playing, I'll say, 'See, if there were no sports at all, this wouldn't be happening! You like your team when it wins, but hate it when it loses - why bother watching or playing at all!'

All anarcho-capitalist posts should go in the Science, Math, and Philosophy forum where they belong.

[pvn]

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Most businesses will decline to do business with people that ignore reputable judgements.

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This is one of the most ridiculous assertions I have ever seen. I'm quite sure that at least 100 times I've done business with people who thought I was either a mafioso or a serial killer and there was never even a hint that this affected (negatively) their willingness to do business with me. If anything it made them more motivated to satisfy my wishes.

I really think you are completely clueless about human nature.

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Ostracism has a proven track record.

Yes, you will probably be able to buy a pack of gum (if you can get to the store). You will have a very hard time, however, doing things like getting a loan, selling your labor, buying land.

As for your particular anecdote, "thinking" you are a mafioso or serial killer is a lot different than knowing it. Selling a pack of gum to a serial killer is a lot different than hiring one.

On a seperate, unrelated note, the mafia is less criminal than the government. The mafia actually gives people stuff they want, while the government kills a lot more people than the mafia ever dreamed of.

[timotheeeee]

What would you say to someone that didn't want to be a part of this society anymore? Or a group of people that wanted to be governed? It would be destined to happen, since there will never, ever be 100% agreement among any large number of people. What would you say to these people?

[pvn]

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I'm going to go into the Sporting Events forum and claim that sports should not be played by anyone. When anyone gets hurt playing sports, I'll hop in the thread, 'See, this is why no one should play sports.' Whenever anyone gets annoyed at how their local team is playing, I'll say, 'See, if there were no sports at all, this wouldn't be happening! You like your team when it wins, but hate it when it loses - why bother watching or playing at all!'

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Nobody is forced to play football. Nobody advocates a system of mandatory football-playing be imposed on huge numbers of unwilling players.

[pvn]

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What would you say to someone that didn't want to be a part of this society anymore?

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What society? If you're talking about an AC society, I wouldn't say much of anything, just like I don't say anything to someone that doesn't want to eat broccoli anymore. Stop eating broccoli.

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Or a group of people that wanted to be governed?

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Go for it. Get together and govern yourselves. Have fun. Just don't subject anyone else to it.

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It would be destined to happen, since there will never, ever be 100% agreement among any large number of people. What would you say to these people?

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"Hi"? I have no idea what you want me to speak to them *about*. The reality that people have different preferences? How about "congratulations, you're now free to pursue your preferences without anyone else making decisions for you or telling you what to do."

Are you seriously arguing that since 100% of people can't agree on anything 100%, someone should step in and force all of them to conform to an arbitrary decision?

[hmkpoker]

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It's betterfor the survival of the species if we group together and penalise the strong to help the weak.

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This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard. You just claimed that success should be punished, and stupidity rewarded.


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So people are poor because they are stupid, not stupid because they are poor?

has anyone else noticed that anarcho-capitalist-libertarians are usually white males from middle-upper class families?

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I think the stereotype is more likely to consist of people who have had to work hard to get where they were.

Ususally the children of upper-class families turn into bleeding heart liberals due to their guilt of unearned money.

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Let's not be quick to assign stereotypes. I admit, yes, I came from a white upper-middle class family. Yes, I was pretty well-off. Yes, I had my college paid for by my family, and yes, I do have a sense of guilt about unearned money.

I am 22. I recently moved into an apartment in New Brunswick, NJ. Currently I work 40 hours a week as a secretary at a law office. I am paying for my own paralegal schooling, so that I'll have a job with some upward mobility. I also have a painting business which I do on some weekends, a Realtor's license which I got myself, and for what it's worth I make a decent bit of money playing poker. I pay for all my own expenses. I have saved enough to live off of for a year, and afford the downpayment on a house which I'll be purchasing within a year.

I am proud of what I've done. No one owes me anything. If everyone worked with the same level of diligence and competance that I do, we'd have a phenomenal economy. That's the argument, and I'm doing my part.

I went to a very, very liberal school with lots of kids who preached socialism while their parents gave them money. I've parted from that kind of thinking. It's irresponsible and naive. If you want to do something, you do it, and no one is going to tell me that my beliefs are invalid because I wasn't poor. [censored] them.