Blind battle, easy fold on the turn?

[Guido]

I agree check-folding is a good option too but we were all folding way too many hands against this opponent. That's why I tried to make a stand.

Thanks,

Guido

[jk3a]

This is wrong in so many ways. Given your description of villian, folding pf before you raise isn't bad at all. Call me a nit if you want, but I don't want to play A8s OOP against a good aggressive player HU. When you get reraised, you should have folded or 4-bet(rarely), what were you hoping to hit?

The flop c/r is total spew. Especially if you plan on c/f the turn when you improve. If you insist on calling PF, this would be a good spot to call a flop bet and reevaluate turn. Given the texture of this board and his PF action, c/f would be ok as well.

Given your c/r, why not make a play on this turn. He could definitely lay down a better hand, you have outs, and you might be ahead in the first place. I don't necessarily mind the fold, but if you're going to play this hand the way you did, why not crai on the turn? You've probably got some fold equity and definitely have outs.

[emil3000]

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Given your description of villian, folding pf before you raise isn't bad at all.

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LOOOOOOOOOL

[jk3a]

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Given your description of villian, folding pf before you raise isn't bad at all.

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LOOOOOOOOOL

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WTF do you think the long term EV of this hand OOP against an aggressive opponent is? Do you care to elaborate at all on your rude remark?

[emil3000]

Nope, sorry. But it's not close.

[Matte_Maiden]

The mini-cr is bad because of more than one thing.

First of all, you make your hand which got some showdown value to a complete bluff. Instead of letting KQ and other worse hands bet into you and get some value out of your hand when ahead (and try to get away from it when you are behind) you bluff with a hand that might be the best. A good player probably will not call with worse made hands if they don't have a ton of outs.

Secondly, you get no clue about his hand this way. He might float with pair+draw-kind of hands or even with nothing just to bluff you later. The big problem is that he probably knows when he is ahead, but you will never know.

Especially when you check the turn, he probably can be pretty much 100% sure about what you've got. The only thing he could put you on instead of Ax is some kind of draw. If he bets big, none of these hands can call.

I would check-call, then bet-fold turn. If we get to the river, I would probably check-call if the draws misses and check-fold if the hit.

[Tupacia]

I think folding A8s pf against an aggro villain is not good at all. If it was A8o, you may have a case. But given stack sizes and villain's aggression, this is always a raise. As everyone said, flop checkraise is the worst of all possible worlds. C/C flop seems fine, and I'd be wary the rest of the hand about bloating the pot out of position.

[jk3a]

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I think folding A8s pf against an aggro villain is not good at all. If it was A8o, you may have a case. But given stack sizes and villain's aggression, this is always a raise.

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Why in general? And especially why OOP?

[Darkfolder]

Guido

There are things you have to understand. You say that BB is pushing everybody around so we can assume that his handrange is pretty wide in Battle of the blinds. You also say that the reason why you checkraise is that you know he will bet the turn if you call the flop. You have to understand that this is really really bad. If you know he bet the turn if you call the flop you shall call the flop because you are favourite over his handrange. In this spot versus this aggressive opponent A8s is a perfect hand for using a passive line and check-call both flop and turn.

Anyway, As played I would probably push the turn. He cannot put you on a flushdraw so he has to give you credit for a good hand, If he opts to call you know that you have outs.

[Guido]

Hi jk3a,

I'm hoping to hit an 8 with maybe 1 overcard and everything that's better or a good draw.

I'm not planning to fold when I improve, that totally depends on the amount he bets and how I improve.

You talk about calling the flop and reevaluating on the turn. There is nothing to reevaluate on the turn unless you improve a lot, probably only an 8 or A. He's going to bet. He bets $75 on the flop, you call and the pot is $225. He will bet at least $125 on the turn, now why call the flop when you know this?

Thanks,

Guido