25-50 Live, Did I play this wrong or just got unlucky?

[FiftyOuts]

BB ($14,500), Hero ($9,500), LP ($130,000)

A few limpers, I limped in MP with 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], LP limps, BB makes it $350. I call and LP calls, everyone else folds

Flops is 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($1200 pot)

BB bets $500, I have seen BB make an undersize bet with two high cards so I call and LP calls.

Turn 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($2700 pot)

BB checks, I bet $1500. LP is a semi-fish at the table. I have seen him call down a $4000 bet on the river with a set while there is 4 to a flush on board. LP calls. BB raises, makes it a total of $6000.

BB is typically tight. He is not going to make a bluff in this situation. After giving it much thought, I was pretty confident that he had a set which was obviously lower than mine. He wouldn't have raised to $350 with a 5 and 6 preflop. I place LP on a pair with a straight draw. There is an outside possibility that he had a straight but unlikely because he plays his hand pretty straight forward. In this situation I was either calling or raising all in. I decided that if LP was on a inside straight draw that I would want him to call because he didn't have the odds to. I decided to call the $6000 and hope that he doesn't make a straight. LP calls also.

River 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($20,700 pot)

BB goes all in for about $5000 more. I didn't like the river but that pots was huge at this point and I only had $3000 left so I called. LP position calls also. He flips over 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] for the straight.

BB later confirmed to me the he had a set of 7s.

Please critique my turn play? Should I have went all in or was it a good call and just got unlucky on the river?

id probably ram and jam on the turn with that read.

[AceCR9]

bb obviously has a big hand. I'd just shove turn since it's obvious he is going to call almost every time.

I assume this is a mistype?


BB ($14,500), Hero ($9,500), LP ($130,000)

[gerrger79]

when the BB made it 6000 to go the pot is almost 12000
4500 for lp to call now if you put him on openended draw
he is gettin almost 2.76 to 1 on his money ,,,,and if you
include implied odds , he might talk himself in to calling
which makes it kind of boarderline call,,,,specialy after
investing some money in the pot....so based on your read
and knowing that BB will call your all in for another 5000
going all in is the correct play here....not only for the
sake of protection but sometimes you actualy get called by
lp...sice you mentioned him as live player...which makes
your all in a very profitable proposition....i don't hate
your play ,,,,but you ave to understand that if the lp
does'nt make his str8 the difference in the money made at
the end is only 4500$...since lp will call the 4500 on the
turn and fold on the river...is it always sound to let people make bad boarder line calls to risk the pots that
we culd have had pocketed if we would have gotten them of their draws?

[gakn29]

If you had $9500 to start then hand it have already put in $850 bye the turn you gotta throw in the rest of your stack when facing $6000 turn bet. People get so greedy trying to sucker in a draw when the pot is already 400bb (your 9500 + BB + pot size) when you get your money in. How big does the pot have to get before your ok with doing all you can to push out a draw. On top of that, if the guy with the draw was going to call $6000 on the turn he might have called $8500. So by that logic you would make an extra $2500 off the guy you LET see the river cheaper than he should have. Also he wont call off his stack with 5 high when he misses. Greed kills big pots for you.

[DeeDeDee]

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id probably ram and jam on the turn with that read.

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I agree with that GRIM. The other option I was thinking about was RR the flop to fold the LP but then what are the chances that the original raiser doesnt push. Provided that he is not big continuation bettor or will bet air into 3 opponents. Given that think re raising is marginal...agree?

The turn is where you have to push and try and fold any draws and hopefully get paid by a weaker hand. Think you tried to get two fancy. Pot is big enough if they want to stick around make them pay dont be a calling staion with top set against a now more coordinated board. He was most likely coming along anyway given his OESD and now min flush draw given the action chances are good he would think that his FD was good if he hit.

But you need to be more aggressive with you big hands. Dont be so fancy trying to trap three handed or more against those types of boards.

[restrikt]

Wow, you HAVE to push on that turn. If you put BB on a set, just push.

[kbeyer]

most obvious turn shove, ever.