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10-07-2006, 10:34 PM
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Basically I think one major problem is that the public, for the most part, doesn't have a clue about the concept of EV and the idea undertaking activities with uncertain outcomes where one is +EV. If the public did have a clue then there would be an outcry about the lottery and horse racing as well. Poker games would probably be a lot tougher as well though if the public was more sophisticated regarding gambling. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, it is kind of sad that our poker income depends on the fact that people are ignorant about this stuff. I sincerely doubt I'd be able to make enough money at poker for it to be worth playing, if Joe Sixpack understood EV (both because a lot more people would be decent at poker, and because fewer fish would play). 
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#94
10-08-2006, 12:25 AM
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Why 2000, is this Christian bashing? Because some religious radicals do something all members of that religion are painted with the brush? Oh, and to steal from my NRA stuff, people with religion didn't stop us from playing poker, people misusing religion did. [/ QUOTE ] Right. Just because some moron Senators decided theyre going to try and ban online gambling doesnt mean all christians are horrible people trying to take your freedom. This really doesnt have much to do with religion(other than looking good for election purposes) and all about money and I hope you all realize this.
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#95
10-08-2006, 12:54 AM
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How can he explain not going after horseracing given his saint-like crusade against the evils of poker? [/ QUOTE ] Southern Baptists really enjoy betting on the Kentucky Derby.
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#96
10-08-2006, 01:39 AM
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And finally, I dont think I need to talk about the many differences between poker and other forms of gambling, which Im pretty certain Frist is utterly ignorant of, and which he does not acknowledge at all. [/ QUOTE ]From the perspective Frist is coming from, any distinction between poker and other forms of gambling is irrelevent. If the goal is to protect people from blowing their families savings or becoming a gambling addict, being a game of skill dosen't make a lick of difference. The only real difference is that the addicted gambler is loosing money to other players rather than the casino. This makes a difference to you and I because we believe in making profitable choices, and we also find the strategy of the game rewarding- not just the big rush of "getting lucky" every once in while. However, this doesn't address the moral questions Frist is dealing with at all. I understand wanting to argue the distinction between skill and non-skill games. I keep feeling like the potential for the loser to become educated and beat the game is makes poker different from other gambling, but it doesn't. Because the losers destroying their families aren't driven by things that will allow them to learn to beat the game- they want to get lucky and hit the jackpot, not outplay their opponents and win in the long term. On a side note, while I believe that the stock market is NOT gambling, the same potential for self (family?) destruction is there just as powerfully as in poker, and not only is it legal, but I get to have commercials on TV tempt me to go to the web with no financial training and commit however much money I want with only the simple click of a mouse. Finally, to those bashing Christians- this is not about religion- it is about bad politics. Please stop accepting the "Christians vs. unbelievers" light Frist is casting this in, because that isn't what this battle is about. I am a Christian and we are, I hope, on the same side of this issue.
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#97
10-08-2006, 02:04 AM
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Lunatic Baptist
Are these the same Baptists that picket the funeral's of US troops that have fallen in Iraq because they say that its God's punishment for America's tolerance of homosexuality?? I mean, how can we go wrong with these people running the country??? Here's the link to the full story.
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/26411 I realize that this is just one church & not the Southern Baptist Assoc.'s view but still.
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#98
10-08-2006, 08:25 AM
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I realize that this is just one church & not the Southern Baptist Assoc.'s view but still. [/ QUOTE ]This is just one church. I assume that you don't like it when all gamblers are painted with the same broad brush- degenerate, lacking of all sel control, and destined to destroy the ones they love. Just as not all poker players fit that mold (most don't, even), neither to would most SB churches support such a pickiting.
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#99
10-08-2006, 08:56 AM
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The most telling part of this article is its URL:
http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/ Southern Baptist Conference Baptist Press! Isn't this what the law was really about? Going back out onto the campaign trail with some food to feed those bible-thumping Christians? Isn't it possible that once this election-season-bone-to-the-preachers has served its purpose, the whole issue will go comatose? Anyway, we should be prepared to act like the Roman lions - just in case. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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#100
10-08-2006, 06:40 PM
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Re: Lunatic Baptist
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Are these the same Baptists that picket the funeral's of US troops that have fallen in Iraq because they say that its God's punishment for America's tolerance of homosexuality?? I mean, how can we go wrong with these people running the country??? Here's the link to the full story. http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/26411 I realize that this is just one church & not the Southern Baptist Assoc.'s view but still. [/ QUOTE ] NO. You're referring to Westboro Baptist Church, which is not recognized by any Baptist Association, including the SBC. (Southern Baptist Convention, the largest Baptist convention in America, to whom Frist was writing.) Westboro is a group of 100 or so idiots who are correctly called a hate group. They are not Baptists in any sense of the word. Unfortunately, no one can stop them from calling themselves Baptists. (Note: I myself am a Baptist, although not SBC.)
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