Where's Our Statement

[Erik W]

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It seems to me that those who call Frist a Nazi because his political opinions are different from theirs are the ones who are much closer to being a real Nazi than Frist is.


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Doesn't that make Bush a Nazi since everyone who opposes him is terrorists.

Advicer : Well, mr president, our land is under attack(11/9).
Bush : Don't disturb me, I'm reading a story for children.
A: (15 minutes later) This is really important, what should we do?
B: I'm still reading, nuke'em.
A:Well, we don't know who it is as of yet.
B: Nuke'em anyway.
A: Sir, we don't know.
B: Well, I have never been considered bright, have I.

2 years later.

B: My daddy launched a war against Iraq and I want too, nuke'em.
A: Why.
B: They must have mass destruction weapons. I just feel it.
A: None of our agencies have any information about that.
B: Made some up and then nuke'em.
A: Will do but can't we use those new conventional bombs that is stronger than your daddys instead of nuke'em. That might harm the US since all parts of the world will be damaged.
B: Hmmm, that will do. Make it a preemptive strike, like, we
kill them first so they can't kill us. It makes sense to me.
A: Whatever you say Mr Bush.

(WAAAAAARRRRRR)
100 000 dead Iraqis
2000 dead Americans.

B: That felt real good. I think I will play some poker tonight. Will you show me how it is done.
A: Sure will.

(Next day)

B: I don't like bad beats, someone put a bad beat on me yesterday, nuke'em.
A: We don't know who he is since the sites are impossible to infiltrate.
B: Hmmmm, I will have my revenge, we tell people terrorists use them and then we shut them down.

A: Of course Mr president.

[HappyStoic]

I broke into Mason's lawyer's office (he's out of the country) and stole a copy of the statement. Here it is, reproduced in its entriety:

"Re: Online Gambling Transaction Ban

In response to this recent legislation, we at 2+2 don't know what it does or how it affects anyone, so we have nothing to say.

Also, PPA sucks and nobody should support them.

-MM"

[Wake up CALL]

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In short I am 100% positive...

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Really boosts your credibility to use that phrase about an obviously NOT clear cut issue.

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Perhaps English is not your first language, I can be 100% positive and still be mistaken. How about you? This is not to imply that I think I am wrong about B&M poker becoming more profitable for me personally but since I am predicting the future being 100% positive about my belief is akin to being 100% positive that the sun will rise tomorrow. It may not but even if it doesn't that doesn't make my being 100% positive about my prediction being accurate any less clear cut of an issue either.

[DuderinoAB]

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In short I am 100% positive...

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Really boosts your credibility to use that phrase about an obviously NOT clear cut issue.

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Perhaps English is not your first language, I can be 100% positive and still be mistaken. How about you? This is not to imply that I think I am wrong about B&M poker becoming more profitable for me personally but since I am predicting the future being 100% positive about my belief is akin to being 100% positive that the sun will rise tomorrow. It may not but even if it doesn't that doesn't make my being 100% positive about my prediction being accurate any less clear cut of an issue either.

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You have some good points, but I still think you're being a bit narrowminded here. You're obviously very set in your thinking and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I would suggest you think about two questions. If after answering them your opinion has not changed, I guess we'll agree to disagree. I don't have to be right here either...just my thoughts.

1. How many people played B&M before the internet explosion?

2. How many people play B&M now?

You're probably going to argue that this is due to Moneymaker and the TV poker explosion just as much as it is due to online. I would argue that TV poker is driven by online poker since that is where the majority of the ad revenue comes from. You take away the ad revenue, and the networks won't put it on.

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For someone who is obviously impressed with his own intelligence, you are actually amazingly stupid.

[Wake up CALL]

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Dear Wake up Call:
Wow. Did you really just say all that? I've never posted on here before. I am officially popping my cherry, as it were, in response to your outlandish assumptions contained within your statement regarding "leaving your bedroom."
Sir, I ceased practicing in my white collar profession three years ago which made ~175k annually because I am making ~475K+ annually through online poker and WPT events that I was able to enter thanks to online poker, and paying taxes all the while. That you would equate or lump online players into a holed-up-in-the-bedroom-with-no-initiative category is so offensive and, sadly, so expected from thinkers of your ilk that I'm sure I would be better off not responding. I kept my silence when the leaders of your choice in political representation interferred with someone's personal tragedy and attempted to insert their beliefs into whether someone should remain on life support or not. I probably should keep silent now, as well. But how utterly f'ing horrible of you to tell so many well-educated and articulate people out there who have figured out how to plant a six-figure a year money tree in their bedroom or home office or living room to take initiative and go get a job. How dare you, sir. It is so much bigger than that. I will have the ability to jump right back in and be a part once again of the soul-sapping world of law. However, not everyone who is currently making six figures from their dorm will have that option. Not everyone who is not currently enrolled in college and are in their 30s or 40s or 50s will have the ability to leave their bedrooms and, provided they have some "initiative," jump right into something that makes the kind of income to which many of us have become accustomed.
For many of us, this (online poker) was a very large piece of a puzzle that fit perfectly and made us very happy in so many ways. If it wasn't a source of income, then it provided a great avenue for using one's grey matter while simultaneously being entertained instead of coming home from the office or from school each day and being subjected to the dribble on television. It provided a sense of community as many of us would share our knowledge and expertise and lessons in life with one another. It created job opportunities on both sides of the real felt or virtual felt. It revived poker night in countless communities and neighborhoods as players gathered together to play live while discussing strategy that could be applied to online. The poker revolution or boom allowed those of us who do enjoy playing live as well, to enter into a very nice Vegas Strip casino or Indian gaming casino and play poker in comfort and safety and be treated with respect, as opposed to having to play in some redhead stepchild portion of a grungy casino with no ventilation and some guy named Hank cussing at you while he deals cards.

You, sir, are not the voice for so many of us who spent so many years of our lives working for the man in careers that turned out to be unrewarding and stumbled upon a goldmine that allowed us to feel good about getting up each day and offered us great opportunities to enjoy life in so many different ways. I mean, the money was the prime motivation for me and many others, but the side benefit is it has allowed us to have such flexability so as to be able to spend heretofore unimaginable amounts of time with family and loved ones and to monitarily enrich the lives of our families and loved ones. In addition, I and many others made enough money from online poker so as to be able to monitarily enrich the lives of complete strangers to a considerable degree.
In the past two years, I've made it deep in the money in three WPT events that, before, I doubt I could have afforded to enter because of the large buy-in. Thanks to online poker I've been able to achieve that goal and more. I've traveled to several countries and broadened what I considered to be a very healthy urbane knowledge to even greater proportion. I now have a very good understanding of why so many educated and articulate persons in other countries view the United States as such an incompetent bull in a China shop.

Prefer B&M over online? Great. Good for you, sir. But last time I checked, easily the majority of people posting on this site as well as PocketFives are online enthusiasts of varying skill levels doing research for the purpose of implementating newly acquired skills against ONLINE villians. Given the overwhelming majority of persons reading this site on a regular basis are primarily online players, why even bother posting your position that this bill affects you in a good way on this site? Okay, well, I guess that's your right to post as you wish, no matter how absolutely insensitive your position or statement may come across to others.

You suggest the former internet pros get real world jobs for a little while to supplement their income. Sir, I would suggest you remove your blinders, stop acting like such a lemming, and reconsider who you vote for. Though I know you won't. This bill, for a great many of us, is not about the chopping down of our beautiful money trees which reside in our bedrooms or home office; rather, it is about losing our freedoms, one by one, day after day, year after year, thanks in large part to the voting habits of individuals such as yourself.

I will survive and find a way out of my bedroom and will make enough money to still live life very comfortably. Unfortunately, yet another one of our freedoms most likely will not find a way to survive. Have a nice day, sir.

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Very well thought out response BlueTang. I think I can sum your post up in two sentences:

1: You hate Republicans
2. You are the exception to the internet pokerplayer rule

Brevity is a virtue.

[Wake up CALL]

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1. How many people played B&M before the internet explosion?

2. How many people play B&M now?

You're probably going to argue that this is due to Moneymaker and the TV poker explosion just as much as it is due to online. I would argue that TV poker is driven by online poker since that is where the majority of the ad revenue comes from. You take away the ad revenue, and the networks won't put it on.


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1. I don't know
2. More than before

I have no need to "past post" an explanation for an event that has already occurred. In fact no matter the reason there are indeed more B&M players now than beofre the internet poker boom, there we agree. All we seem to disagree upon is whether or not I will see more of these (former) internet players at my tables now than if internet poker continued as in recent history. For the life of me I really don't see how to express my reasoning other than with an analogy (which is somewhat flawed as they all are, but still apt):

Just like a heroin junkie who wakes up from his opiated stupor to discover his dealer that delivers directly to his apartment has been busted he will actually put on clothes, leave the safety of his apartment and brave the cold cruel world to seek out a fix. Now even though he finds that the local stuff available to him is less potent and doesn't give him his preferred adrenaline rush he still makes the purchase to satisfy his needs.

Replace heroin with poker , replace dealer with online poker room , replace stuff with B&M poker room and you have my reasoning. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Wake up CALL]

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For someone who is obviously impressed with his own intelligence, you are actually amazingly stupid.

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You sir impress me greatly with both your debating skills and knowledge of the subject. When will you be old enough to play in a casino?

[Knockwurst]

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If you would like to see true ignorance at it's best performed by the one and only govman6767. Then please go here: govman6767's greatest 2p2 thread ever.

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Now that was funny. govman and wakeupcall banning together to take on the scourge of internet poker players soon descending on poker tables every where.

[Dementia]

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It seems to me that those who call Frist a Nazi because his political opinions are different from theirs are the ones who are much closer to being a real Nazi than Frist is.

MM

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Mason -

With all due respect; if you feel that the avatar is inappropriate then have it removed, instead of taking this thread completely off topic.

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I don't agree, what Mason said was entirely on the mark and something that some of us needed to hear. Calling Frist a Nazi, starting threads about wanting to murder him in OOT, is not how twoplustwo posters should present themselves in my opinion.