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Old 10-05-2006, 06:46 PM
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Default Re: Baseball situation question - 2nd base nobody out vs 3rd base one

About .2 runs per average in favor of situation A.
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Old 10-05-2006, 06:49 PM
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Default Re: Baseball situation question - 2nd base nobody out vs 3rd base one

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It does depend, to some extent on the batter (and the speed of the runner), but in general, do you think it is a good play to sac bunt with nobody out and a runner on second?

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This isn't what I was referring to when I said it depends.

Unless you are very late in the game and tied(and sometimes down by 1), it is nearly always a horrible play sac bunting.

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I disagree. Maybe the best way of framing the question is - In which situation are you more likely to score?

I think you are more likely to score from second with no outs, so even in the bottom of the ninth, down by one, bunting is a generally bad play.

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I would bunt when it is tied, but not when down one.
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Old 10-05-2006, 06:50 PM
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Default Re: Baseball situation question - 2nd base nobody out vs 3rd base one

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About .2 runs per average in favor of situation A.

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Where's your data from?
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Old 10-05-2006, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: Baseball situation question - 2nd base nobody out vs 3rd base one

Run expectancy chart from the book. It's 1999-2002 data.
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Old 10-05-2006, 07:46 PM
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Default Re: Baseball situation question - 2nd base nobody out vs 3rd base one

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It does depend, to some extent on the batter (and the speed of the runner), but in general, do you think it is a good play to sac bunt with nobody out and a runner on second?

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Absolutely not.

I remember reading somewhere that given the choice between

(A) a guaranteed successful sacrifice (where the runner moves one base and the batter is out), and
(B) a normal sacrifice attempt like teams do now (where you may fail, but you may get a hit after the bunt is off with two strikes)

that option B is better, and it isn't close.
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Old 10-05-2006, 08:01 PM
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Default Re: Baseball situation question - 2nd base nobody out vs 3rd base one

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It does depend, to some extent on the batter (and the speed of the runner), but in general, do you think it is a good play to sac bunt with nobody out and a runner on second?

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No.

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the probability for just one run changes enough for the situation to matter, as everyone else in the thread has noted.
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Old 10-05-2006, 10:29 PM
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Default Re: Baseball situation question - 2nd base nobody out vs 3rd base one

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It does depend, to some extent on the batter (and the speed of the runner), but in general, do you think it is a good play to sac bunt with nobody out and a runner on second?

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This isn't what I was referring to when I said it depends.

Unless you are very late in the game and tied(and sometimes down by 1), it is nearly always a horrible play sac bunting.

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I disagree. Maybe the best way of framing the question is - In which situation are you more likely to score?

I think you are more likely to score from second with no outs, so even in the bottom of the ninth, down by one, bunting is a generally bad play.

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The value in 2nd no out comes from the potential for a big inning. With a "normal" batter, you are more likely to score with a runner at third and one out.
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Old 10-05-2006, 10:33 PM
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Default Re: Baseball situation question - 2nd base nobody out vs 3rd base one

well jeter bunts runners over to third all the time and he wouldn't ever do anything that hurts his team's chances of winning, regardless of what nerds on the internet say.
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Old 10-05-2006, 10:51 PM
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Default Re: Baseball situation question - 2nd base nobody out vs 3rd base one out?

It depends, but in most of the cases I will take option A.
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Old 10-05-2006, 11:00 PM
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I'd probably go for A, but I think it would depend on serveral factors. Two that come to mind are whether you are facing a ground-out type pitcher, and who the two/three guys coming up in the line-up are.

If I have a left-handed batter coming up against a right handed pitcher, for example, I might be more inclined to take situation B. Lots of other factors though.

Tough one to anser unless you are a coach and no your players strength, speed of runner, etc.
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