Bet/fold river correct?

[JJH3984]

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I'm tempted to just c/c the river.

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This was my first thought as well. Sure it sucks when he checks through with JJ or QQ, but I think he bets these a fair amount of time anyway. Anyway c/c and b/c are probably close. I wouldn't b/f without a more concrete read.

[Harv72b]

Actually, I like a bet/call line on the flop. Why? Because I think that disguises Hero's flush draw very well and gives him a turn free card fairly often when the villain does have AK/AQs & checks behind against our "obvious" pair. It also sets us up for a river steal attempt when villain does check through and the board bricks out.

As far as the river goes, I really don't like any river line that features us putting in 1 bet and then folding against an unknown. Check/call.

[Mygtar]

check/call all the way through.

[buhler26]

Here are some reasons I thought bet/folding was a good play:

1. What's he raising the river with that I ever beat? My only real read is that he isn't a maniac, so I felt like if I got raised on the river it was an easy fold.

2. I felt like he would call with more hands than he would bet, hands like JJ, QQ, AQ, AT.

With those two points, I felt like bet/folding was the way to go. Where is my logic wrong?

[buhler26]

I think very few players ever raise JJ, QQ, or AT on this river.

[Harv72b]

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Here are some reasons I thought bet/folding was a good play:

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No, you're absolutely correct that it's the right play...vs. a known opponent. My point is that when you don't really have a read on the other guy, if you're going to put in a BB on the river you might as well be assured of seeing his hole cards.

[Krafty]

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Here are some reasons I thought bet/folding was a good play:

1. What's he raising the river with that I ever beat? My only real read is that he isn't a maniac, so I felt like if I got raised on the river it was an easy fold.

2. I felt like he would call with more hands than he would bet, hands like JJ, QQ, AQ, AT.

With those two points, I felt like bet/folding was the way to go. Where is my logic wrong?

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Logically, I agree with your aruments...but without knowing the player, playing SSHE, and the line you took; folding can basically not be right here.

I used to make similar plays, but after reading on this board I made a concerted effort to call down more on the river and have found that, in general, players in SSHE make some amazingly aggro plays if they were the pre-flop aggressor (particularly 6 max). Plus you're getting 9:1, so you only need the best hand better than 10% of the time to make a call the correct play...and I would say that you're better here more than 10% of the time given the circumstances of the hand.

BTW, I don't like a CR here heads up, OOP. Your fold equity is virtually nil and you're open to a three bet. If a diamond comes on the turn and you lead again or CR the PF aggressor will usually slow to a call down at best or more likely fold. If anything the CR defines our hand more, especially when we continue aggression on a diamond turn.

[Xhad]

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Here are some reasons I thought bet/folding was a good play:

1. What's he raising the river with that I ever beat? My only real read is that he isn't a maniac, so I felt like if I got raised on the river it was an easy fold.

2. I felt like he would call with more hands than he would bet, hands like JJ, QQ, AQ, AT.

With those two points, I felt like bet/folding was the way to go. Where is my logic wrong?

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If he's the type of player that overvalues non-AK Kx hands he might mistakenly value raise the river. He might have AQ and decide to pull a desperation bluff. He might have QQ and just be an idiot. Some people play really bad when they're the preflop aggressor.

[Lucky_River]

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Intentionally putting in chips on this flop doesn't make a lot of sense to me; unless he has AK/AQ he's never folding anything and you just cut your implied odds for when you actually hit something.

I'm tempted to just c/c the river.

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It's right I simply overloked the 3-bet preflop from UTG+2.
But with that I play c/c River.

[Mr_Donktastic]

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Where is my logic wrong?

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This may be overstating things but I think this is just too much logic for Party 3/6.

After the flop you should see a turn and river, and after the river you have to see a showdown. Period.