So if Credit Cards and Neteller are out...

[DuderinoAB]

I'm just gonna go ahead and drown in it

[xwillience]

All I have to say is that NO ISP WILL EVER BLOCK out a site if people want it bad enough. EVER. EVER. EVER.... EVER.

[chicagoY]

I still don't understand how they can't easily create innocuous holding companies every couple of months like "Mike's Taqueria" to process the checks and deposits for a poker site. I mean other quasi legal industries have been doing it for a long time.

[chicagoY]

That's so pathetic. I just hope the federal gov shows the incompetence of enforcement here that they do in all other matters. It's easier to push me around than a Jamaican Yardy so that's what these weaklings are doing.

[Jussurreal]

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Like I said, I'm a realist, and the reality is that this bill has a very good chance of passing and that online poker will cease to exist in the United States if it does.


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This is certainly not a realistic point of view. If it passes, americans will coninue to play poker. It will reduce the number of players but it won't stop it.

[Uglyowl]

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I still don't understand how they can't easily create innocuous holding companies every couple of months like "Mike's Taqueria" to process the checks and deposits for a poker site. I mean other quasi legal industries have been doing it for a long time.

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That is a big reason I have been arguing it is near impossible to enforce.

They do now... they create, for example, "MGP Limited", electronics store out of Singapore which will get by most credit cards now.

[shighley3205]

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Why do you think most, if not all, of the online sportsbooks have stopped allowing betting by Americans? Because their execs don't want to be indicted in the United States, extradited to the United States, and imprisoned in the United States. The poker sites will do the exact same thing if this bill becomes law.

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If you have a pessimistic viewpoint that's fine, but this is just not accurate.

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I'm not a pessimist; I'm a realist. Now go stick your head back in the sand.

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If you were a realist, you would realize that most sportsbooks still acccept U.S. based clients

[bcubed72]

Whether the news reports are focusing on deposits because 90% of poker players are net losers, or for some other reason, I have heard nothing about blocking CASHOUTS. Does this mean we're OK?

Plus, if cashouts are blocked, I still don't see how a paper check from a foreign bank, with nothing to link it to a gambling site, wouldn't work.

[shighley3205]

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Whether the news reports are focusing on deposits because 90% of poker players are net losers, or for some other reason, I have heard nothing about blocking CASHOUTS. Does this mean we're OK?

Plus, if cashouts are blocked, I still don't see how a paper check from a foreign bank, with nothing to link it to a gambling site, wouldn't work.

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The hardcore poker player will still play online, they will still find some ways to fund their account (if they need to), and they will still cashout. The problem is Joe Fish wont want to jump through the extra two hoops to play, which drys up the games

[Jack Bando]

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Whether the news reports are focusing on deposits because 90% of poker players are net losers, or for some other reason, I have heard nothing about blocking CASHOUTS. Does this mean we're OK?

Plus, if cashouts are blocked, I still don't see how a paper check from a foreign bank, with nothing to link it to a gambling site, wouldn't work.

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The hardcore poker player will still play online, they will still find some ways to fund their account (if they need to), and they will still cashout. The problem is Joe Fish wont want to jump through the extra two hoops to play, which drys up the games

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Some fish would quit, some. I think/hope most would say "I love poker because I'm good at it and will find a way around the blocks(not really)" or "I enjoy poker and will find a way around the blocks."